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If I do not accept a bid for one of my players I just do not TL the player?
How does the other manager knows the bid was not accepted?
Working now, thanks!
That was a tricky one…the issue was you had a non-listed offer against one of your players and that page assumed that player was listed, resulting in an error. This is now fixed.
Thanks!
Just posted a screenshot on Facebook page
Working well for Medium but still not for Fast. I get an error page
This has just been fixed. Please have a look and let us know.
Negotiations tabs is not working
Previously I could only see my offers to other players (new feature) when I had a “regular” negotiation going on (e.g. contract renewal)
Aha, I think I know what the issue is, I will fix it later today. For now I think you will be able to see and cancel your bid if you have anorher type of transfer going on (regular transfer, loan, etc). Thanks for reporting!
There’s a bug with new bidding on not transfer listed players. I made a bid on a computer’s player, but it’s not available to see it at negotiations screen. Anyway, it’s counting for player’s room in my team but I can not cancel bid. Please take a look. Thanks all!
A few improvements in one go!
1) Individual player tactics are now available. You can override your team instructions regarding tackling, passing and shooting for each player in your formation using the new Player Tactics tab from your Formation screen.
2) Contract renewals have been changed so that the new contract values are applied on the spot. You are also able to re-negotiate the player contract earlier than before. This is in preparation for the feature where teams will be able to make offers to your non listed players to persuade them to request a transfer from you. By offering a renewal with a better salary earlier on you are more likely to convince the player to stay in your squad.
3) When asking for a salary value players will take into account the salary paid to his teammates, if they earn more than average he may ask for more than average. Your negotiations department will take this into account when suggesting the salary you should offer.
4) You are already allowed to make transfer offers to non listed players, but for now the target player will not be affected by your offer and it will be entirely up to the manager to decide whether to transfer list him or not. That means CPU teams will just ignore such offers. Of course all this will change when this feature is fully implemented and these offers will have impacts on the target players and also negatively affect the players from the buyer team, this is just an early release of partial functionality.
Questioned about Fabio Moraes’ declaration about the referee on their semi-final match, manager Gabriel Cesario told the press the Sportivo Luqueño’s manager need to be careful with his words.
“I admire Fabio for his achievements but he was talking nonsense about our semi-final. If his players can’t be controlled and get lots of cards it’s not my fault. I had two injured midfielders that would tell you a different story.”
It’s the second season in a row Cruzeiro is beaten by Sportivo Luqueño in Libertadores, last season the confrontation happened on the quarter-finals and the winner was decided after a penalty shootout.
“They have a great goalkeeper but we missed too many opportunities during the 180 minutes, I need to concentrate in improving my own squad. After 4 consecutive Brazilian titles in Libertadores we’ll have Paraguay once again in the top spot. They have even beaten us in ranking points this season and will be 4th place in the country ranking next season, very good stuff!” – said the Cruzeiro manager.
Once again the victorious team from the small town of Luque will face the evil forces of the capital for the title of the Americas. This time the contender is Lua de Cristal
Delio Rodriguez, the historical Sportivo player, has said “I came back to Luque this season as a reserve just to see this team go back to where it belongs – on the improvised stage in the middle of the field, holding the trophy! I just want to see us crashing those snobs from the capital like we did 7 years ago”
Mr. Fabio Moraes refused to give interviews after being caught on tape calling the referee at the semi-final “a Cruzeiro supporter, dirty criminal, f*ing bastard”. Sportivo has 5 players suspended for the final for disciplinary points
I understand and I’m glad you think that way as it is impossible to guarantee the game will be bug free. Whenever we recognise a failure in the game logic quickly enough to rectify it we’re happy to do it, that’s why I put you back in charge of Netherlands. If another manager had already taken over I wouldn’t sack him to put you back.
Thanks for pointing out you had another application, I’ve now taken care of that as well by deleting it.
I might have applied for another international job. I’m not too worried about the sacking, I’d rather point out bugs so they can be fixed.
If I get the job back I won’t complain, but if I don’t I won’t lose any sleep, just thought I should point out the failure in logic in this particular instance.
Yeah, the logic for sacking doesn’t care about when the manager joined the national squad, but it definitely should! I’ll create a bug for us to fix this and put you back there in the meantime.
Cheers
Probably The Netherlands was confused with Turkey ;)
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35194944
Fast Ticket Turn 124 I took over the management of the Netherlands, turn 125 I get sacked from the job for being knocked out of the World Cup, this can’t be right, surely?
This should get better with the new feature I’m working on. Together with the ability to make offers to players that are not transfer listed I’ll implement an improved player “happiness” system that will be used to determine the likelihood of a player moving to a different club. Playing matches will still be part of it, but bundled together with other aspects such as salary, teammates, club/manager reputation, country ranking, etc, it will give you a better chance of keeping youths even if you don’t line them up in official matches.
From my humble point of view, I enjoyed trying to put together a team from the youth system and watching them improve. But with the moral system this is impossible as I can’t afford to let untested players into the team until their stats have grown. Now I just put together a team of allsorts :(
Yep, your suggestion made me bring improvement forward from our backlog and I’m also happy to see it coming first in the poll. Check out this topic where I’ve outlined how I plan to implement this feature: http://rubysoccer.com/forums/1/topics/2958
Given the latest poll results announced this week I’ve started working on allowing contract offers to be made to players that are not transfer listed and I’ve created this topic to outline how I believe it should work and collect feedback from others to influence the way we implement it. The basic idea is to give managers the chance to go after that star player that will never go to the transfer market and let the player decide whether it is a good move for him or not. We also need to make sure there is a balance on how making offers to non listed players affect the morale of the target player and the morale of your own players.
These are the main ideas I have so far:
- Expand on the current morale idea (which is based solely on match participation) into player happiness based on a number of different factors (wage, matches, teammates, etc)
- Allow expression of interest against a player. This is not a formal offer but it is a lighter way of try and affect the player happiness so he may decide to leave his club. This can be ignored by the player if he has no intention of leaving his current club to go to yours.
- Allow direct transfer proposal to a non listed player. This will be a more aggressive way of affecting the player happiness but it may also have a greater negative impact on your own players. This again can be ignored by the player.
- Allow managers to make contract renewal offers to their own players at any point after 72 turns of the last signing. This will be one of the ways to improve your player happiness and also defend against transfer offers. Contract renewal logic will also change so that the new wage is effective immediately instead of after the current contract ends.
It will be tough to make CPU clubs react and actively participate in this new idea, but I’ll give my best to make it happen. If you have any comments or suggestions please reply to this topic, your idea may even make it to the final cut version ;-)
Cheers
Great outcome! It’s definitely related to my suggestion. And I agree, offering a contract is much more direct. Does it somehow relate to player morale of the player you’ try to buy? Or doesn’t this makes sense, now it’s immediately up to the player to decide to leave or not? I like the idea of the number of outstanding contract-requests that influence the moral of the current squad. You should definitely build this in in order to keep control of managers going to the market too much. Good luck with the implementation!
“Going away to San siro, camp nou etc is when players are really tested!”
On one hand I agree, yet on the other I think that when teams go to these big grounds against the big teams they are not expected to get a result, so the pressure is sort of off the players. But it’s all subjective I guess, like everything in life.
I think there’s more pressure away from home. Bigger teams Barcelona, Madrid, arsenal, city etc play better at home cause it’s more relaxing. They are used to playing there. Going away to San siro, camp nou etc is when players are really tested!
Is there not more pressure playing at home in front of a large amount of dedicated fans screaming for the win, rather than playing away from home in a potentially smaller stadium with much fewer fans baying for your blood if you don’t perform? Is this not slightly backwards in implementation, or am I just being picky?
That’s probably related to the new pressure handling feature that replaced stadium size in calculating the penalty received by the visitor team. CPU teams’ stadiums are usually much smaller than human managed teams’ stadiums, therefore in the past they didn’t penalize visitor teams much. All existing players when the feature was introduced received a pressure handling rating of Poor, which is the worst possible. As you replace old players with fresh ones you’ll have a better mix in your squad and sometimes can even use specific players to play away matches. The difference is not huge, but if you have two players that are very similar the pressure handling may decide who you put on the field as a visitor.
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With little more than 80% of manager participation we already know the option that came first:
55% Allow contract offers to players that are not transfer listed
22% Better player match rating calculation
12% Something else
8% Money replacing investment points to improve and maintain club facilities
3% No Answer
Already started on it, but it will obviously take some time to be done properly. I may start a forum topic to discuss it or if anyone else has something to add about it feel free to create one.
As Joseppi said “I can’t win away from home” I also sort of find this, especially against CPU teams. Not sure 100% why this is, whether it’s because I suck, or whether it has something to do with CPU teams not being affected by morale?
@Joseppi: I gave a lot of thought about it and my intention is to move away from investment points and back to using money to improve (and maintain) the different club areas. It was clearly a mistake back then when we removed the money altogether. Truth be told we were not focused on the game when we did that and this was just an easy escape instead of putting real measure to deal with inflation.
@Dimitri: I completely agree that the ones that left would add a lot of value to this conversation. I tried to directly contact a few of the most “famous” managers to get some insight, but they didn’t leave because they didn’t like the game, they just didn’t have enough time to play due to family/work commitments. I’ll see who I can find on Facebook.
@Tukmans: thanks for the long post, it goes pretty well with our plans to allow bids to non-listed players. Hotlisting as you suggest could represent an expression of interest and an offer is a more direct approach. We just need to make sure that if you make offers or express interest in too many players it could have a negative impact on your squad as well, as they might think you’re going to the market to replace them! I’ll like your post into our planned feature regarding this.
I think the new model could work and attract new active managers, if a transfer model would be added that enables managers to show interest in potentially good players.
Now, a scout search gives managers some insight in the potential of players, but now it’s hard to acquire these players, because these players are hardly put on the transfer list. This potential (although not completely reliable) gives us the chance to know a bit about the reach of a player. The coach reports doesn’t unfortunately. To adapt to the new evolution model quickly and to build a new squad, I would like to get hold of a mix of some interesting potentials and some developed players.
What if I could show interest (for example by putting a player to my hotlist), and that based on a mix of variables:
- country ranking;
- club ranking;
- manager ranking;
- star players in my or existing squad;
- likelihood to play (compared to other players my squad);
- likelihood to leave club;
the players’ morale is affected. If a big club shows interest, it might be that the morale drops in a few rounds. If a low ranked club with few star players shows interest, it might be that it takes quite a long time to lower the morale of a player (let’s say 70 to 100 rounds).
The interesting part is that in the last case, it’s up to the manager to decide to wait for this player, or not. In the meantime a bigger club might perform a scout search and show interest as well. This could affect the morale drastically, which causes the player to have himself put on the transferlist rather quickly. Both clubs can put a bid and it’s still the player that decides where to go. Maybe he would still choose the low ranked club, because the chances to get playing time are higher. Off course the big club can still add this player to the hotlist again, but then the variable ‘likelihood to leave club’ could do it’s job. Because this could be reset after a transfer, and might be increased during the contract. After one or two seasons the player might be willing to go to this bigger club after all, if the player is still on the hotlist.
It also forces me as a manager to do something with my talented players, because the chance that someone else (CPU or active player) shows interest is always around. If they don’t play that much, the likelihood to leave variable is probably high, even though morale could be okay.
I would love to have such a transfer function in the game. Not just because it’s more realistic, also because it enables me to follow a certain strategy and adapt to the new evolution model more quickly:
- do you go for a squad with completely developed players
- do you choose to grow a squad and try to develop all potentials
- do you go for a mix, and follow a strategy to grow and still be competitive
Besides it would be great if the CPU controlled teams like my potentially good players as well. So they’re hired for loan or the CPU team shows interest (following my suggestion). So it’s not just about the current skills of a player. This is especially relevant for youngsters, that have a lot of potential, but where the coach report states that they will reach their potential at an older age.
It shouldn’t be too hard to add this to the game, since most variables are in place. Only likelihood to leave / play should be added. These could be hidden variables.
Even without this suggestion, the game is still fun to play. Keep up the good work.