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He did indeed avance as you said he would :) i agree to give it more time before changes are made.
indeed philipp, it is still the same points system. but in case of your youth players, they will receive 2X of the points allocated.
for eg, a normal player would receive 1 point from friendly but for the same friendly youth player would receive 2 points ( 2 * 1).
i am sure all the youth academy players are youth, but i am not certain if players till 19 are still considered youth (when they go out of academies).
gabriel has given a hint in the announcement forum about the definition of youth, so i am considering players till 19 yrs are youth.
Hi,
It would be great to add a way to determine wich of several clubs you wish to loan your player to. It is only fair and realistic to let the manager decide wich club to loan to.
Kind regards
well, i agree that its managers job to improve his team, and the financial punishment would be fine if the manager would stay at the club for more seasons, but what if the manager leaves the club after making such decisions and joins another club.
so, i don’t think how we can still hold the club liable for punishment.
And managers should always be able to delist their players from the market. it is not a crime to recognize that he made a mistake. His reputation should suffer only in case there has been a bid made against that player. If he removes a player after someone makes a bid for him, then only his reputations should suffer, because that would now be considered a foul play (rather than a simple mistake).
wasn’t it 1 point for friendlies, 2 for cups, 3 for league … ?
currently i’m ok with the improvement of players. Did you already implement a higher and faster impovement rate for younger player under 20 yro?
how about having such kind of transfer exchanges??
Similar to the one involving William Gallas and Ashley Cole between Arsenal and Chelsea.
it might take a bit of time to implement, but it does sound good when you can get some money for a player and still be relieved that u have a similar quality, albeit the new one may be a lil bit older or of inferior quality.
And for the buying side also, you get a better player having spent less money at the expense of another player whom you could have struggled to sell…
but we can have more feedbacks about the drawbacks of such a system.
waiting for more suggestions…
thanks for the statistical computer… i hope i can use it more now… previous one wasn’t worth much…
i have seen a little bit faster development with my youth players, that is for sure.
but as gabriel had informed in the announcement that every youth players would receive 2X the points received by other players for each type of game, i found the above statement a little bit confusing.
For 2 cup games, shouldn’t that be 12 points, since he gets 6 points each for a cup game ( 2*3 points for cup game).
and thus with 40 points for 20 friendlies, that should have been 52 points in total.
On a separate note i have a question. i always have a feeling that system tries to improve the secondary skills more than the main skill. For e.g., i have a midfielder who has developed pretty well on all the skills except his primary skill… his passing is still 84 since turn 61 of 19th season, whereas at the same time his shooting skill has jumped up 10 pts from 76 to 86, heading from 80 to 88 and speed and ball control also have had fair rates of improvements.
And if i were to compare his improvement since the time i took over the club, it goes this way :
Tac 3, Pas 4, Sho 13, Spe 7, Dri 0, Ctr 6, Hea 8
Do you think this is even development? or this is just an one off case… or is it just normal that players have their own development pattern
PS: for future reference, currently it is turn 41 season 20th.
Statistics computer now includes games from all seasons. This will make it a much more useful tool.
With coaching 10 your youth needs around 15 experience points for each improvement (sometimes more, sometimes less). With 2 cup games he earned 6 points and with the 20 friendlies he earned 40 points, a total of 46 points. As I’ve just checked he is almost improving again, he must have improved twice since he joined your team. Each time he improves he earns from 1 to 6 points to be distributed among his skills, so he improved from 2 to 12 points so far.
I think we could wait a little more before changing it again, but if the general feeling is that the system is ruined we can certailny do something about it :)
My first suggestion would be raising the minimum number of points earned during an improvement from 1 to 3…or maybe increasing the odds of earning more points for youth players. Any suggestions?
Could you try and tell us something about how much is needed for a skill-up my players are still stuck at their starting skills my most promising youth player with a value of 649.000 and 75 shooting has played 2 cup games and 20 friendlies and no skill up at all, it seems like something is fundamentaly wrong with youthplayer improvement, please give me peace in mind about this, since i still think you totally ruined the youth player aspect of the game.
One manager less in Portugal :(
Hope you come back soon Ricardo, Tiago Pereira is a colague and friend of mine and I think he will take good care of D.Aves, even if I have to call him every day to come here :D
Good luck with your real life :)
Regards
Too bad you’re leaving us Onyros, hope you have time to come back soon :)
Would a 1 tick per day dimension help? ;)
Hey there, fellas! I’m not having enough time to properly maintain my team, so I’m passing it on for anyone who’s up to the challenge. There’s not much money left, but there’s enough talent to build a contender!
I’ll be watching to see who takes D. Aves to the next level, but right now the only thing I have the time to manage is real life! :)
Take care, guys!
Ricardo
P.S.: AAAhhh’ll bee baaaack!
When you say back in the days, are you referring to SS/MS? Cause we’ve got the european name files from Peter Strand himself. Some of them have been modified to contain more realistic names.
Yeah, I kinda missed the group stage message for international cups. I’ll create an enhancement for that ;)
Back in the days…. yes back in the days, there were some strange Dutch names they got from a file.
Well as I’m not totally into the game anymore I don’t wanna go after it, but maybe I can find something on my hard disk.
Btw, talking about improvements. I got into the UEFA Group Stage, I have no idea how I did it, but I’m there :)
But that’s not my point, it’s just I didn’t receive a mail with my opponents. Maybe the manager should get one as I waited all season for it and it tick 98 it’s time to play and you could forget it by then.
Nice, let’s go RED SOX, oops wrong game :-D
You and Mn United managers have two common IP addresses recently used. It could be someone who player RubySoccer from work or college that you don’t even know.
Unfortunately I can’t do anything as such recent common IP addresses exist, otherwise other managers with not so good intentions could start asking for exceptions ;)
Should be fixed!
Hi,
I’m getting this error trying to bid for this Man United player, Matro Buero but I do not know who that manager is, have no idea how we are on the same network
Can you please fix it
It’s hard to tell Sly, I may be able to come up with something until tomorrow, otherwise it won’t be ready until the end of next week as I’ll be out until next wednesday. But don’t be annoyed Sly, I’m sure your player will have enough time to fully develop :)
well, how long before this can be implemented, because I want my player to either start playing matches or return to my club. It’s getting pretty annoying. Also because the manager who loans him doesn’t answer to my e-mails….
I could loan a player to a friend of mine for he to play just one match and then recall him…of if the player wasn’t loaned to my friend’s team but to another team I recall him. These are the kinds of abuses I’m thinking about :)
I’m pretty sure everybody will be more comfortable when there is a contract clause saying your loaned player must play official matches otherwise he will return to his team. I can even cancel the existing loans (at least for those who request it) when I add this new feature.
I don’t see why you would think recalling a loan for free could be abused? How the hell could you abuse it? I currently have a player loaned out who’s not playing. Now this really annoys me because I’m sure I could loan him to another team who would be very happy to have him. Because of this the players loses an entire season of increasements, so it will only take longer for him to get better. Now… please tell me…what the points is of not being able to recall a player? It really is starting to piss me off, and perhaps even more managers. Then in the future….why the hell loan out a player. If he’s not being played you are screwed. You are better of just keeping them yourself….
yah… but then may be we could take resources into account too… but i think we could get more ideas from other managers too…
some, having huge resources, take risks by paying more to hire better players and get results , some take a different strategy because their financial conditions are not strong enough…
it could take some time but we could come to a good blend of wins and resources criteria. But i think feedback from other managers is necessary in this case.
thanks gabriel, i think i was missing the home advantage in my calculations:(
Gabriel
I like your loan extension
rewards the good managers doing the right thing. Allow upto a full season extension.
i see both parts of the story with loaned out players BUT guys you cant have it both ways, wheres the risk factor!
I think you shoud not remove the penalty, it can be unfare for the smaller teams with lots of other teams players in there main squad. Without penalty managers would recall players for any reason, like if they have a player injured or red carded… that would create instability for the team that is counting with the loaned players in their main squad.
Best regards, Filipe
What about these 2 additions:
- loan clauses: minimum coaching (if the team who loaned in the player downgrade its coaching below the specified level the player is returned), maximum number of official matches missed (if the loaned player misses more than the specified number of official matches he is returned; matches where he was injured or suspended won’t count)
- loan renewal option: when loan contract is ending both managers have the option to extend the loan for more 36 turns
I’m really not comfortable anymore with an option to call back or return the player for free. It could be abused. :(
Well happy to see you are coming around. That penalty thing was a bad idea. If there is no penalty there is no way of “cheating” the system. It’s your player. If he’s not playing and you want him to play then I think you should be able to recall him. If the loaning manager doesn’t like that……well…thats his fault right? Then he should have played him….why loan a player in the 1st place then! On the otherside, if you loaned a player and feel like you really don’t need him anymore you should be able to send him back. I doubt the manager who owns the player would mind, since he could most likely loan him out again anyway. Both sides happy……boths sides win. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Yep, it has been reported heraser…looking into it ;)