They are counted because if you end up selling all of them in the same turn your squad will become too small. You must have at least 14 players not listed (transfer or loan). Your loaned in and youths are not counted. From these 14, at least 1 must be a goalkeeper.
To be honest the whole economy should and will be reviewed. Sponsorship, merchandise, player wages, etc. There are a few improvements planned for a long time regarding wage negotiation. These are smaller things and will probably be implemented before this review and won’t affect the economy that much.
Regarding graphics, I didn’t ask for a Russia country symbol for 2 reasons:
- I didn’t want to reveal Russia was gonna be added ;)
- The page design will change soon and we probably won’t use the spherical symbols anymore (you’ll see why)
Danilo is using the newspaper layout you suggested, by the way, it’s really nice!
We need 18 teams, which are (not sure about rankings last season, but supposing this was the bottom up country ranking):
- worst on Russia (2nd place)
- worst on Netherlands (2nd place)
- worst on Germany (3rd place)
- worst on Italy (3rd place)
- worst on France (3rd place)
- worst on England (4th place)
- worst on Portugal (4th place)
- worst on Spain (4th place)
Then we start bottom up again:
- 2nd worst on Russia (1st place)
- 2nd worst on Netherlands (1st place)
- 2nd worst on Germany (2nd place)
- 2nd worst on Italy (2nd place)
- 2nd worst on France (2nd place)
- 2nd worst on England (3rd place)
- 2nd worst on Portugal (3rd place)
- 2nd worst on Spain (3rd place)
2 teams to go:
- 3rd worst on Russia (none, only had 2 spots)
- 3rd worst on Netherlands (none, only had 2 spots)
- 3rd worst on Germany (1st place)
- 3rd worst on Italy (1st place)
I know, that’s not real life logic, but you should agree it’s fair. With more countries the top countries champion won’t be on Qualifying round anymore ;)
By your goals the conclusion is your team is the second best in Italy. If your goal in the cup is reach the final you’re either the best or second best, we don’t have a win the cup goal for the cups. If you goal in the league is qualify for CL and you have 4 CL spots you could be the second, third or fourth best team in your country, if you were the first your goal would be “Fight for the title”. Conclusion, you’re the second best.
If you have 3 spots, the worst qualified team is the third place. That’s what I mean :)
If anybody wants to talk about a specific topic on this list please create a new topic (search if it already exists first) in the suggestions forum. If you wanna talk about the wish list in general feel free to post it here ;)
Nice wish list! Most of these suggestions are possible, some of them are already planned. Let me write a few comments about some of the topics:
1) Better match engine:
- less shots: absolutely, yes
- weaker GKs: probably necessary when we have less shots
- more chances to score from a shot: consequence of the above topic
- more goals from midfielders: need to figure out a good way to do that in the current logic
- 10x decrease of one-touch shots (or 10x decrease in their accuracy): I was thinking of completely eliminating the possibility of a player receiving and shooting in the same “match turn”, meaning you’d see in the replay the ball with the attacker before he shoots
- the players should maintain the formation: don’t they? :)
- don’t give 3 points to each skill of the home team, maximum 1: not sure about this one, in the tests I did by the time this was implemented 1 point almost didn’t make any difference
- add more ways to control players’ determination and fatigue: this could be done automatically at first (if your team is ahead by 3 goals the players slow down) and a control could be added later
- add dribbling accuracy % in the report and decrease it: interesting
2) Players skills:
- decrease players’ skills, I think the chances to develop a star should be 3 times lower: there are 3 ways of doing that, we can make the players starting skills lower (current average is 70 for a top country), we can make they develop less in the average (current average is 20 points per skill)
- playing matches players should be able to acquire new positions: something like that is already planned
- add happiness, we can keep a superstar on the bench for the whole season at the moment: agreed
3) Economics
- add transfer windows: not sure about that…
- expand the contracts, add clauses and players’ wishes and reactions: planned
- players worth 50M+ should get be paid at least 50k per week or become unhappy: I agree we should raise the wages in general
- players should better choose a club to play for, not the weakest side for sure: adding player wish could be interesting, we just need to be careful to not make good players always refuse small teams
- add the option to cancel the contract without fee if both sides agree: need to think about it
- don’t let the clubs to accumulate infinite sums of cash – the Board should control it and offer the options to spend cash after 1 season: need to think about good ways to spend cash
- overall wages should be at least 2 times higher than now: I agree we should raise the wages in general
- sponsor contracts should be signed with different goals and bonuses: interesting, not easy to implement ;)
- football economics shouldn’t be as profitable as it is now: agreed
4) Clubs
- increase squad limit: some friends have been asking that for a while…but how would you keep them if you have higher wages ;)
- remove friendlies, change to B teams competitions: interesting, but really hard to do
- add fanbase, which will react on results and transfers: very interesting
- add detailed team history: planned
- add national squads: planned
5) Gameworld
- add more countries and regions and lower leagues: welcome Russia! Lower leagues will probably wait, more countries have higher priority
- add the ability to “exchange” the clubs – 2 managers with close ranks should be able to exchange teams for a new challenge: I don’t like it, could be used to prevent being fired
- the newspaper and interviews are essential to keep the interest, also manager of the month, player of the month awards: Danilo is taking care of the newspaper, initial version will be ready soon
- make it more interesting to change clubs after a while: how? need to figure it out
Check my reply on this topic: http://www.rubysoccer.com/forums/6/topics/1095
Now that we have Russia more teams participate in the qualifying round. The logic to choose these teams is to go through the ranking from bottom up and pick the worst qualified team from each country. When we reach the top we start again from the bottom picking the second worst qualified. This is done until we reach the number of teams needed for the qualifying round.
This sounds interesting. But we will still try to reduce the number of shots anyway ;)
Just for the record, I’ve removed the 10 limit on board penalty.
What we have planned are transfer clauses which could include something like “X% of next transfer”. For example, you could sell a player for 1M with this clause saying 10% of next transfer. If the other team sells him in the future for 10M you’ll receive 1M more.
I understand the reason behind your request Parag, but it’s not as easy as it sounds to integrate this restriction into the current criteria (team quality). Nevertheless it is on the enhancement list as Vaughn pointed out (even though I guess that only refers to the qualifying stage), so we’ll give it a try ;)
I’m ok with the awards and I agree with torte205’s suggestion of a certain amount depending on where they finish. We already have an enhancement planned for that.
I’ll remove the board 10 points penalty limit ;)
Oh, and I’ve also used my friendly squad in the past in situations like the one Vaughn described in order to give my youths some experience. I didn’t care whether or not the opponent was fighting for the title or a international cup spot. I haven’t done that in a while though. Shame on me! :(
@Philipp: “It’s just “sportsmanship” that should lead everybodys actions, not just what’s written and what’s been monitored.” – very well said ;)
@amacb: I’m glad to know you feel this way
@Meninao: I think everybody understands your reasons but most users didn’t like it. I don’t think this is good for the game but as I said before I don’t feel like punishing anybody because it would be unfair not punishing other managers with the same behavior, which would require a precious amount of time to investigate
When people have friends playing the game it is inevitable they try to help each other somehow. I’ve had friends who lost games on purpose (when there was nothing else they wanted to fight for in the competition) to help me without me asking them to do so. Is this bad for fair play and competition? Yes, of course, and I discourage this behavior, even when this is done with good faith.
Hope you guys understand our situation and have the same spirit as Amac, who is now even more motivated to win the league next season ;)
Cheers!
@amacb: winning Copa do Brasil didn’t gives the team a spot in any competition. In real life it gives you a spot in Libertadores and I think in Europe winning the national cup gives you a spot in UEFA, but we didn’t want to implement that in the game to make things simpler instead of adding lots of specific rules.
@Sly: they probably made some over priced deals in the past.
Let’s put things straight, I think that using your reserves in a match is pretty common in this game in situations where you want to rest your best players for a more important match or to help a friend or whatever, but using money to do that is something I’ve never heard before in the game (I’m not saying it never happened).
I agree with those saying it’s not a good thing to do but there is no way to prevent / detect it (at least not a simple way). As soon as I read Amac’s first post I suspected that some kind of arrangement between the managers could have happened, as Meninao is a co-worker of mine and I am aware that he and Dot know each other. But what if I didn’t knew any of the involved managers and they denied it as Sly suggested? How could we prove they did something like that? A manager could simply say he was resting his players for the international match and didn’t want to qualify to Libertadores, but Sudamericana. Should we have punished them in this case as well? Should we punish all managers who use their reserves in an official match?
To be honest, I don’t know what (if something) should be done.
Alright, wrote a lot, now you guys can proceed with your comments ;)
Maybe he is happy with the Sudamericana spot. And it wasn’t worth anyway as he lost the international cup semi-finals.
Nice! Is the first one yours as well?
Parag, I’ve jsut created the embed code for RubySoccer, check it out on our login page.
Anyone else who wants to help advertising RubySoccer on your website please feel free to do so ;)
I’ve not seen penalty kicks on my matches for a while now. Will take a look anyway :)
Every time I think about prizes I get worried about ruining the game economy…I think we should have prizes (this is in our list) but maybe we should work on other economy improvements first.
Thanks Parag. You can leave the link there, you’re not advertising your blog, as you said :)
We don’t have any kind of embed code for RubySoccer, but we could work on something…sounds like a good idea.
You guys are right, the Board must have renewed his contract. I need to check about the wage though, it should have changed…
It could be related to the keeper or even the other players being tired and failing to reach the attackers on time.
Thanks, thorpedo! I’m glad it helped :D
No worries, I hope those who are able to donate feel we deserve it ;)
Also, you both have already helped in other ways.