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Well, I think I mentioned this to the developers or the forums, I am not really sure, but here it goes.
The game would benefit from having paid service options (perhaps through an app), letting you scout a player and see what the maximum potential is.
Another “premium package” would allow you to chose what areas (on youths) to concentrate developing, so they develop the skills that is important for them.
I had a whole bunch of those suggestions, but if you haven’t seen those then those were private mails with the developers for a possible co-operation deal.
Well, a thing to consider anyway.
/BK
^^^
Darren Bartholomew played 27 friendlys, no improvement.
Paul Johnson played 15 games, no improvement.
Frazer Neal played 25 games, no improvement.
Steve Nightingale played 27 friendlys, he improved at game 27…????
They have played full 90 minutes, so why are they not improving.
They are all youth players, coaching 10
I doubt that money saved will be turned into points.
Next season, you’ll have whatever you have and according to the level you have either increase or decrease. I like this solution VERY MUCH.
Now trading is not necessary, and you still can do transfers and make money.
I made a mistake and thought that people will sell a player or two, got my budget to 300M+, the mission this season was to employ/buy, while next season I will try to get maximum back from transfers (100%) and have a lower transfer amount.
This adds strategy into economics (almost turn based, where one turn is 1 season). Se next season is sell only season…
I think this will work for many people..
/BK
The money I save this season turn into points for next season?
Vaughn,
Fast
Treinadores 10 Determines how often players improve
Fisioterapia 7 70% chance of reducing injured players recovery time by 1 turn, every turn
Olheiros 6 Scout searches can be made every 5 turns
Estádio 10 Penalty on visitor players’ skills (including old players): 3
Transfer budget bonus: 30%
Total wage limit 9 $1,721,522
Transfer Budget 10 $315,800,000
Money from players sold added to transfer budget 10 80%
Medium:
Treinadores 10 Determines how often players improve
Fisioterapia 6 60% chance of reducing injured players recovery time by 1 turn, every turn
Olheiros 5 Scout searches can be made every 6 turns
Estádio 10 Penalty on visitor players’ skills (including old players): 3
Transfer budget bonus: 30%
Total wage limit 7 $1,374,934
Transfer Budget 10 $287,300,000
Money from players sold added to transfer budget 10 80%
finding the balance then so far its lopsided towards not good enough :)
and yes im saying impliment that script into the game so we dont need programs but we can keep track of it ingame then
@Davison: Cool i understand what you mean, but just to be clear, i dont manipulate the excel file, its just a dumping ground for me to keep track of a players starting average and stats :)
(lets agree that the players starting value doesnt mean shit necessarily)
also, if what you propose is implemented, won’t it take away a bit from what this game and managersim before it is? Won’t it just become a simple boring game about how long it takes for you to make your player reach the next level? Won’t it take the fun out of knowing if that player of your will actually hit his full potential? Won’t you find it boring to know exactly when a player is done growing for that particular season? This is something that is along the lines of “active” vs “passive” managers in my opinion.
Do you have ulysses script installed by the way Marc? It’s a great tool which’ll allow you to track how often your player stats go up… this tool is indispensable to me so i can keep track of a player who has grown during the season. if you say “i dont want a 3rd party script ruining the game for me” well then this is what you are suggesting (regarding keeping track of player XP). Actually, if the admins embed ulysses script within the game, it would actually make me happy (no more need for the script itself) and it would also curb some of your demands in a way that it would allow you to see if a player has stopped growing during that season…
if admins can respond to this question: is there a reason why ulysses script was never implemented in the game?
@Vaughn: ya it might be :/
If you use team player list plus addon in firefox you know when your player is done for the season, no need for excel.
@Charles, isn’t that just bad luck on your side?
one shouldnt have to use a outside program to play this game
these things should be posted to the manager. next to the player or a whole new window tab in team. labeld Exp gain using a bar system which shows it at what % playerx has gained so much this season for example playerx [xxxxxxxxx/ ] +80% gained or even instead of % actually say player x gained “x” amount of points so far.
im not about to jump on excell and spend way to much time on this game. shouldnt have to. managers need more tools and options
I agree filipe, but just to be certain…
in my opinion, before hand, if you had a player with 67AVR starting. This player, would surely become at least 87avr, with a little luck, he will grow more.
Now, i get the feeling that player progression is more random and that a 67avr player won’t necessarily become an 87avr player. Perhaps only an 85 or 86avr player.
Has anyone been tracking this to see if its true?
I have an excel sheet which i essentially use to dump player ratings when they come out of my academy and i’ve noticed a trend more recently where although a player is hammered in friendlies and officials, they don’t necessarily reach their potential. Again, perhaps i haven’t been subbing my players at the 55th minute mark and have been screwing up somewhere…
Again, it just seems to be that before it used to be “67AVR player starting is equal to or better than 87aVr player when fully grown”
I agree with Berhan abou the cheating thing, as long as we have cheaters there will be cheating :D As long as we have people there will be cheaters, so…
About the transfer thing, some changes already planed will probably make the situation a little better. If money from previous season turns into points people will have some more incentive to make some extra. Also by removing or updating the transfer limit price there will be a price you can actually pay for those top players…
Right now it is true, 300M means nothing… That´s something makes me believe there are still cheaters…
Sorry for the double post but Berhan theserves an anwser here:
“I think also the question that bugs me is: can I play the game optimally without having to do all that xp calculations on excel and so on.”
I consider myself to have a nice carear here in RS, I never used those calculations or excel. I also consider myself a good talent finder, the two things I know about this in the game are:
1 – player improvement is incertain
2 – the best a player is when he starts the more hods he becomes great
knowing that you can make some other conclusions, for example:
- If you have 1 nice skilled “starter” you have some probability he becomes great (I have no idea how much that is)
- If you have 30 nice skilled “starters” you have a higher probability one of them becomes great
Hope it was helpful :D
I dont know if this is correct but I’ve been playing with the logic that player ratings are based on the number of attempts and successful tackles, passes, shots, goals, cards, etc… You can find all that information in the table bellow the match report (I pay much more attention to those then the first). The logic can be improved it is certain, but still, with no other personality tipe factor in place you must know all that matters are skills, stamina, tactics and a random factor you cant influence. You take two players with the same skills, in the same position with the same tactics and they will do the same AVERAGE match rating (with average you eliminate the random factor).
About Davison claims, we all know how this goes so there’s no point trying to explain him why he’s wrong, I just hope the Developers have more patience than the most people and make no care of what he says…
Cheers
Charles, are you assuming that every player will think they are a star player and will want either to get a regular team spot or be transferred?
Adding morale could do:
- if player is unhappy he will play better if he gets a chance in the first team (random perhaps), or not
Adding influence could do:
- if influential player is brought, everyone plays X% better for x amount of weeks / a possible youth with star-to-be-chance being generated
- if influential player leaves, one or two of the players that were in player’s shadow can get an extra boost or sudden revival of career.
I think one should really think of terms as unlocking effects when input of some kind is induced on the box called the game. Some effects will be negative, while others will be positive.
I am sure many people mentioned the transfer-windows so I can not take credit but I think it would be a good idea.
amacb, it’s really a choice whether cheaters are allowed to play the game they play or not. I would actually agree with you 100% IF this step was taken to prevent cheaters only. That would have been REALLY bad, but this is a better solution for the game economy mechanism I believe, because now transfers is an option and not a necessity in order to survive (economically). Words well said nonetheless. We all play the game for different reasons and have different goals.
I still think there is too much money in the game, compared to reality.
/BK
Isn’t it abit to fast to draw conclusions already on the new system?
Getting 400m transfer budget is kinda your own fault isn’t it? I guess that’s lvl 10, should have spend points somewhere else if you know the transfer market isn’t good atm. I’ve made the choise to get coaching 10 en low transfer budget and spend all my 50m already. A team that is complete or nearly complete doesn’t need 400m atm, so in my opinion it is just a bad way to spend your points.
Managers just have to realize themselfs that there won’t be any players sold for high prices like before and that most of the managers are still waiting for the end of hte season.
Managers deserve the fruits of their own work. When you start breaking down the distinction between somebody who maximizes their economy and somebody who does not, by saying that playing field to be leveled to accommodate those who do or can not, you decrease the incentive for achievement.
Every healthy economy demands activity.
Better to have a flawed economical model than non-existing non-functional one.
Regarding player game ratings.
I think its normal that players don’t ALWAYS play up to their ratings. IMO its a normal occurrence in ANY sport.
I think the biggest thing is to check player stats on a season to season basis. However, we also have to take into consideration how our tactics are created when it comes time to assessing a players game rating.
I’ll give you my tactics as an example.
Strikers play pretty well in my tactics. But only if they play center. If they play LC or RC, they usually have a lower rating. (less than 6). This is why i put my best striker at center and not on the wing. I know that even if i have my best striker on LC or RC, they might score more goals, but their game rating will still be lower than the center playing striker.
Mids that play ANY center position, usually play between 5 and 6.
Mids that play the wings (L or R only) usually player a bit higher than my center mids.
Defense typically play around 5-6 except for my DC+1 who usually player a bit better than the rest.
I’ve noticed this about the current tactic i’m using.
I also have a 2nd, center-concentrated tactic. With this tactic, the above stats differ.
Strikers usually play center, and usually play around 7.
Mids, all play LC,C or RC, usually play a lot stronger (around 7 or more)
Defense player about the same.
IMO, player ratings DO matter in how well a player plays, but i think tactics really make or break how well a player will play during the course of a season…
Just like in real life, its not just how talented a player is, its also how they are used. this is where tactics come into play. No sense in using a high shooting mid in the defensemid position if his tackle is shite…
I think we’re all in agreement that the changes to the economy were needed. We can also all agree that with a few more tweaks to how players are managed like player morale and such, other variables, will “force” some managers to sell players that aren’t happy and thus would kick start the market once again. Let’s not forget, with player morale introduced, i’m SURE lots of CPU managed teams will also be selling players. If morale is introduced, i’m sure once its implemented, the markets will get flooded with players on the TLs. Not just by human GMs but CPU as well. But the real question is, in the eventuality that the market dies down after that initial flooding, what will keep it from going stale again? Will introducing player morale be enough to keep the market flowing or will it have a 1 time affect and then die down once again? If the latter, what else can we introduce to keep the market going? Other than player morale, is there any other “variable” that can be introduced to the game to allow for the market to continuously evolve and change and be kept active? I think thats what we all want… but let’s all agree that a transfer market can’t ALWAYS be active… Just like in real life, there should be lulls… i think it was either BK or Davison who spoke about transfer windows… perhaps thats another variable that can be introduced… i guess every change will have to be analyzed and see what kind of impact it has. Just like the change that was just made, it became pretty obvious that other tweaks have to be made as the market is dead right now.
Davison needs a game he can win guys, please make a new dimention with only one league and just one team in it…
Davison, are there any good players at all? You seem to thin they’re all garbage. Ever think maybe just yours are “piles of piss” seeing as how you religiously finish midtable or worse?
Davison, do you imply that there aren’t even chances for everyone?
I can understand some of the criticism made about the players and performance, as I mentioned earlier failing to understand how a computer managed player is the top scorer, while there are at least 20 better strikers than him, while playing in a mid-table team.
Nowadays everyone has at least 1 95+ striker, so someone has to score goals of course. Tactics is a bit too random in my opinion but maybe I am not paying enough attention to HOME GAME advantages. Maybe I should play with different team/tactics depending on the opposition instead of having one setup for all.
I don’t know, but understand the frustration. We all have been there.
/BK
I’ll reply in a PM :). Let me finish lunch first :)
im sorry for my rant but its how i feel
thanks can you fix the rest of the game now ? :) im serious
so full of shit its not even funny. well the rules and conditions you speak of dont apply to this team. i had a great team full of 95’s and it ment fuck all finished low. my tactics werent the problem, the players would play well 7-10 then next game play like 5-6 then 7’s ect inconsistant shite. and it didnt even matter who we were playing. beating the eventural league winners every season yet losing to shitty teams with no managers ? whos team was a load of shit ? sly stop defending the game. its fucked. the attributes mean nothing, transfer market is dead, money means nothing now, there literally zero managing done now other than subs, scheduling friendlies, watching youth play every game and not gain shit with 10 coaching, the list is continuous. i appreciate the work that went into this game i really do. however how long does it take to improve this game. i dont see much improvements 2-3 max since when i started is this good enough ? i dont know maybe im expecting too much ? maybe i see the fucking full potential in this game and it pisses me off that things spoken about YEARS AGO still have yet to be fixed, upgraded ect ect ect ect ect
if your going to do something, do right. otherwise dont bother. im a loyal person, i dont like watching shit Die due to inaction or someones disagreement about fairness. i for one couldnt give a fuck about fairness. managers make thier own fairness which the options ive proposed. you either utilize them right or not.
whats not fair is the current pile of shit state this game is in
whats not fait is having 400m in the bank being fked off to oblivion
whats not fair is having 95 attribute team not even getting into champ league or europe.
whats not fair is shit 80 avg teams beating me when thier players are piles of piss
why am i even repeating my self. every fucking year since this shit started. same ol shit
Medium:
Transfer Budget: $435,397,150
Wage Limit: $1,374,934
Current Wage Total: $884,688
Fast:
Transfer Budget: $421,983,749
Wage Limit: $1,721,522
Current Wage Total: $818,096
what to do with that money?
I can not pay the amount that I want the players, and nobody wants to sell superstars.
@BK: My insights in the game are the same as everyone elses. I’ve learned this game by playing and paying attention to what happens. All other know how besides playing and paying attention comes from the forum posts from gabriel about the game and from reading the wiki. Player development can be found here: http://www.rubysoccer.com/mediawiki/index.php/Players_Evolution. I
@Davison:‘your lucky to get your player into the 90’s even if you do that player plays like shit’ ……
Ok, not sure how you come to this conclusion. You know there is no morale. It’s all very basic. They don’t have good day’s or bad day’s. A player won’t just ‘play shit’ because he didn’t get enough sleep. He will always do the same thing. Trust me when I tell you, that if you have a team full of players with 90 stats, you will be able to win the league, the cup and the CL.
All I can say is, pay attention to Manchester United in div1. I’ll show you how ‘easy’ it can be to turn a team around in a short amount of time. Remember, I work with the same economy and the same rules that apply to you. I’ll see you next season in the EPL…..
Don’t overeact :). Fixed a few hours ago.