Recent Posts by Dhimitri
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Berhan, I don’t think it would be any fair to program CPU teams to bid on the same players as “smart” managers do. This is a clear penalty you would implement on the managers who do proper scouting work, a “skill” that indeed can create the difference for most managers out there.
Kenzo Leqlercq 25 years old
Attributes
Position: AD
Side: LR
Keeping: 35
Tackle: 85
Passing: 79
Shooting: 89
Speed: 91
Dribble: 90
Control: 91
Header: 86
Aggressiveness: 1
Stamina: 100
Only 15 million at Cardiff City
Common Berhan, what would this forums be without Davison. His unique point of views add a lot of color to RS virtuality. Show some love, will you <3
I would say it’s best changes in youth growth system are introduced when the game gets reset, together with other changes that are in plan. At the time being, it would be unfair to punish countries like France, as Filipe put it, whose managers have worked hard to get the youths they get for many many years.
I assume that the game will be reset soon enough, perhaps by december, but that;s just me. Anyway, despite the changes I do assume that some sort of ranking will also take place in the “new” world. What I think it;s important though, it’s that when the game gets reset, than all countries should start at the same youth level, and the new ranking kicks in only at the start of season 2, based on performances on season 1. Of course, I am shooting blind here, as I don’t know what exactly will be the new system on player’s growth and player generation. But I do think that, one way or another, all countries should start on the same foot, on day zero!
cheers
D
Ah what’s this Manchester??? Ah yes, someone has to collect 2nd place behind the mighty little Cardiff :D
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nice thing the new countries. Let’s when the world gets a reset, it will be fun when managers spread all over and all these countries, old and new fight to be competitive hehehehe
true, this is a lovely game, no matter what. :)
Hi there,
In regards to your first post, I would say it’s a bit irrelevant. :)
-Given the performance on the pitch, the game wasn’t bad luck. True, the score was a bit out of place, but, speaking just from the stats point of view, Sh. United deserved to win. In the same way, a draw or even e C. City win would have been quite acceptable. Indeed, If I had outscored Sheffield 20-5 shots, and had lost 0-5, I would have said it was bad luck. The thing is, they made more shots than me, which I can’t see how.
-But of course, the ball is round, anything can happen, you should have seen Liverpool losing to Stoke this weekend: UNBELIEVABLE…but my post was not about this
-Again, sure thing, randomness is perfectly acceptable, even more so in a game :)
In regards to your second post:
Now you are talking :) My main point about the whole post is the tactical ineptitude of the situation. My main argument was indeed that such tactic used by Sheffield should have not been as successful against my midfield (Cardiff’s midfield is easily one of the top 5 in the game).
Why the tactic shouldn’t have worked
1. As you pointed out, 2 low mids vs a curtain of quality midfielders would fail any given day
2. Those 2 midfielders (Sheffield’s) were not even real midfielders. Those two players were the very key of the tactic, meaning, they should have been exceptional players to make the whole thing work. However, their skill base was completely nonexistent to the requirements of their positions, with the exception of the tackle skill of one of them.
3. One of those midfielders never entered the game basically, which makes the whole tactic and its outcome even more ridiculous. This kid had the 3d lowest tackle skill out the 20 outfielders on the pitch, he was no more than an academy players, skills wise. lol
Which basically brings us to some very dissapointing conclusions:
- the correlation between individual skill and tactical efficiency is extremely low.
- For some reason, the engine privileges one variable over the others…tackle (this is very important for strikers, many of whose chances are created by tackling the defenders of the opposing team, rather than from passing from open play).
- In the same way, passing ability is the skill with the least impact. A 75 passer can be as efficient as 95 passer!
- and much, but not worth discussing here.
Anyway, we all adapt…and sometimes..we make a call for a bit change ;-)
cheers
D
this bug is becoming more and more of a pity.
Two legendary managers like Ulisses and Philipp losing their legendary teams is very unfortunate. :(
goal difference :)
followed by
most goals scored if goal difference is the same.
Cardiff selling:
Armando Liano, 94 keeper, 92 avg skill, 25 yo
Mairon Rocha, 91 striker, 88 avg skill, 24 yo
Kenzo Leclercq, 89 striker, 87 avg skill, 24 yo
Prices negotiable as always :)
It’s a very nice idea, i would certainly love to try it. It could make the player movement part of the game a lot more challenging and attractive :)
The 100 years war is back on between the England and France, I see!!! And as usual, those damned arrogant French have hijacked my ranting thread, because they are always so sure that their ranting is so much more lyrical :P
PS: Charles is French of “Canadien” origin. That alone would make any decent American cringe. Next thing you know, Charles might become the second worst thing to Satan in the Bible Belt. And soon enough, CNN would report of suspicious WMD in Charlestan. A Dutch humanist in the shape of Sly, would enter the scene on behalf of CharleStan to set things straight on the logic of the beloved Dutch multiculturalism that is about to sink Netherlands well below the sea level. But the Brits would have none of it and would send 00Davidson7 to punk the mood up and push the damn red button. Finally, the quiet German comes in and sets things straight by putting the Brits and the French in their place. The Germans are specialists in law and order, let’s remember how they set the old bitch (Europe) straight not once by twice. But this time, they will get a tad smarter and avoid those Red Russians! Meanwhile, in the background, the Turks are on the rise! The stockexchanges ring their closing bells and Facebook has gotten greener and Steve Jobs mighty richer (and a heck more philosophical). :P
So, back to the topic.
It would be sad to lose the replay, but if it is replaced by detailed commentary replay, then why not. Option 2 seems indeed more interesting as opposed to single variables that cause too much imbalance in the current state. If more emphasis can be put on tactics and overall quality of the team.
The current engine efficiency can be defined by a simple statement: Tackle and shoot vs Speedy Keeper.
I don’t know how long will take for a different structure to be implemented, and maybe it’s not worth the time. at the end of the day it’s only two people taking care of business, who also have to deal with RL issues, just like the rest of us.
I would say that improvements are in order. How they come about, it’s up to the developers! As Felipe said earlier, we have all adapted and still manage to enjoy this game. I’m sure we will adapt even in the future :)
You are pretty correct in all your observation.
But that’s my point too, this are things that IMO should be fixed to give the game a more natural feel.
-We both love a high tackle team, but passing should matter as much, as should matter all other abilities involved in a player:
a look at the main stats for both teams on avg
Cardiff: 84.7 85.2 85.5
Sheffield: 87.7 75.0 81.7
Clearly there’s a world of difference between the two teams, and yet the least important ability to scoring has made all the difference. If we were to add the secondaries, then there won’t be any place for comparisons at all.
-The goalie is not that bad, but because of whatever calculations and type of shooting that dominates in the engine, he gets penalized on a single low ability. Again, too much imbalance. Also the revers could be said, where a good goalie would dominate absurdly, independently of the strikers he faces!
-It’s also amusing that 3 quality changes did nothing to alter the game even a bit.
-HOWEVER, the main problem here is not the technicalities above, but the very logic of the game:
1. Tactics wise, Sheffield should have suffered mightily, not dominate like it did. A long team, no midfield, 4 concentrated strikers and so on.
2. As I mentioned previously, the nonexistent role of Foreman was barely noticed on the pitch, which makes the high efficiency of Sheffield even more baffling. It’s a testimony of the one-dimensionality on which the engine bases its performance. Sheffield didn’t win on luck, it was an utter domination!!!
It seems a renovation is going on. He sold all the old players (29+) and he has actually kept the best players, which are quite young. He might risk getting fired because of the results, but the idea is not bad and he’s got a good core for the future (your investment of the future) :)
Sheffield United – Cardiff City 5-0
4-2-4 formation 3-5-2
50% possession 50%
20 shots 17
17 shots on target 14
88% accurrate passes 93%
69% effective tackles 53%
1 corners 4
5 offsides 1
6 fouls 8
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1561116
Looking at the stats, it seems quite a balanced game and that makes score looking a bit out of place, but that’s far from being my problem.
It’s the second season SU plays with 2 defenders as wingbacks in midfield, which is the case with their 2 mids in the 4-2-4 formation, Foreman and Watts respectively.
From the tactic, the 2 mids/wingbacks, pull inside the center whenever the opposition gets the ball. From there, one of the 6 D’s makes a tackle, collects the ball, huffs it forward to one of the 4 strikers, who then dribbles all the opposition defense and their grandmas goes to score with a knife in butter type of ease.
Three simple steps
Tackle – Huff forward – Run & Score
But there’s more to the genius behind such simplicity: Apperantly, because the opposing team has practically no midfielders, my three moronic defenders, finding the empty midfield in front of them, forget their defending duties (Despite having 4 strikers to watch for) and rush forward, leaving my own half at the mercy of the opposing strikers. It’s enough to see that each of my defenders have made at least on shot on goal, and basically accounting for half the shots my defenders have made all season.
Purely from a tactical standpoint, we have a 6-0-4 formation obliterating a 3-5-2 formation. And Cardiff has (to my understanding)one of the top midfield in the world. In an Ollie and Benjie fashion, the Cardiff midfield gets annihilated by simply passing the ball “over” the midfiel
Anyway, some interesting technicalities.
-If I am not wrong the Ds playing as Ms, lose about 3 pts per skill, which is a lot:
Original Foreman Skills 82 75 73 87 89 74 84 Avg 81
Playing in midfield Skll 79 72 70 84 86 71 81 Avg 78
Original Watts Skills 91 69 73 86 91 89 90 Avg 87
Playing in Midfield Skll 88 66 70 83 88 86 87 Avg 84
-Both players are horrible passers
-Only Watts has any value as a tackler, Foreman is simply a mediocre player on all accounts
-Indeed, from personal stats, Foreman has only one successful tackle to account for on two attempts. No passing, no shooting. Basically, Foreman was not on the pitch, meaning I lost 5-0 to a 10 men team.
-There’s a equal possession even though Cardiff is by far a better passing team, with an average of 10 passing pts higher (A universe away), but most importantly, they have no midfield.
So, I am a bit baffled.
This is not RL, far from it, but are we not trying to emulate as much as possible the RL game?
Once we just concentrate on the fact that this is the game, and numbers are the rule, then:
WHAT HAPPENED?
BECAUSE
IT SHOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED!!!
Losing against a team that is might inferior in all but two skills: Keeping and tackle (by 3 pts)
Against a team that practically had only 10 players on the pitch.
Why am I playing this game, if there are no rules to it, no principles on which to rely on? Of course i can put a different tactic to beat that same Sheffield team tmrw, but the point is that, simple as the air I breath, that that tactic had no point enjoying and sort of success, let a alone a 5-0.
It is tiresome dealing with such randomness, and that is a huge understatement.
The way I see it:
- The tactic used could be quite sound with the right players. It’s not the case with SU, with those two Ds completely out of sorts, and a shitty team overall!
- In addition, 424 such as United’s is not a possession tactic, the stats are again out of sorts. (this a more complex argument, but it’s too friggin obvious in this case)
yipee-yipee-yeyyy
Congrats Felipe. Perfect season in any sense. And making it out of the Group of Death in CL after collecting just 1 point in the first 2 matches, now that’s something!!! England is making a strong case for glory, getting better by the season.
On a separate note, it is intriguing that 4 Argentinian teams made it to the Semis in Libertadores. Where the hell is Brazil? Tigre cannot be an excuse anymore, since they themselves got kicked out in the semis.
Cya all in Premier League next season. The Welsh are coming!!!
Chances are someone did “assist” Davison with the use of proper language lol
Estamos sempre convosco
Vamos a todo o lado
Queremos ganhar
Não paramos de cantar
Força Benfica Allez
:)
@Sly
The market has slowed down for two reasons:
1. The age of superstars, Tigers apart, is over. Players, even good ones, are more similar to each other, hence their impact from one team to another has lessened considerably. As a result, only those few standouts have a proper market.
2. Managers are relying more and more on youth, both from academy and from the market, transferred or freed. This, IMO, is a good development.
You know very well how much I love a dynamic market, but I would prefer not to make it more dynamic by creating a phony youth system.
@Vaughn
Yes it takes sometime to build a team, but once you get the foundation going, then you can count on your team to always be competitive. Also, proper managers should enjoy such a challenge of building a team from scratch. For new managers, it is quite a challenge where they also learn the game as it should be.
Not to brag here, but it’s no coincidence that both me and Filipe support the current youth setup. We are both quite traveled managers, with a long resume of success (taking into consideration the relativity of the term here) wherever we have been.
Filipe: Porto, Vitoria Guiamares, Manchester United
Me: Valencieness, Liverpool, Cardiff City.
All these teams (Cardiff is still in the making) have had a lot of success, being build almost from scratch, and dominating European football at their peaks. We are a solid proof, over and over again, that with a proper strategy, a lot can be done starting from scratch.
The problem is not in the youth setup, but in the knowledge base + personal skills of every manager out there. The whole experience and outcome is a mix of grooming youth and smart market strategy.
-there are still managers who quite don’t understand how youth grow. Just recently, an old manager here told me that youth complete their growth at only 400 experience growth points. It’s clear this manager has based his all strategy on wrong foundations.
-most managers don’t know how to spend. One manager in the last two seasons has sold two very promising prospects for a total of 85 million and has bought a fully grown mid of average skills for 30 million. So, the said manager has made a profit of 55 million, however, he has lost two future starters and has added a player of no impact in his first team and no return value in the market. This is a recipe for disaster, if you ask me. And it’s a recipe 90% of managers use. It’s also the main reason why the remaining 10% or even less are always the ones dominating all competitions.
Of course, making money is important. But the only profit you make in this game is the added value to the team you put on the pitch, not the balance in your fake account. :D
Changes or no changes, I think that a detailed guide should be created to help young and old managers to get their game in order. As it is, most managers here are simply confused of what the heck they are doing.
I am with Dimitri and Felipe. The youth system is just fine, and just like in RL, youth players come of age around 22-23.
Also I don’t see much reason to complain, considering that fully grown players start decreasing only at 31 and they are still at their peaks at around 33-34 yo, meaning that a full grown player is expected to have a career span of at least 10 seasons.
So, allowing for maximum sponsorship, which is an extra 10 pounds per week per seat added, then you get your money back in a maximum of 8 years.
Luis Cobacho for sale at Cardiff City Price: only 15 mill
General Info
Age: 27
Nationality: Spain
Club: Cardiff City
Previous club: Cadiz
Estimated Value: $33,175,904
Attributes
D LC
Tackle: 89
Passing: 81
Shooting: 80
Speed: 88
Dribble: 94
Control: 92
Header: 88
Aggressiveness: 33
We sent Rogders to a psychiatrist. He keeps wondering if there’s something wrong with him since everybody tries to avoid him :D
check the replay from the 55th minute onwards :)
http://rubysoccer.com/game/match_replay/1380571
As a matter of fact the hardest work for a young manager is in France and not England. For the sheer fact that England has 6-7 top clubs-managers that would make your life a living hell every season. Of course, that’s an ideal environment for every proven manager who wants competition, but not for newcomers who would end up being slaughtered.
England, despite the already respectable number of managers, lacks such competition, hence, every newbie out there with some skill can progress pretty quickly. England is, in a matter of speaking, a fresh market to explore and succeed. And the fact that the country has improved steadily in the last decade shows that the future is bright.
Come to England boys and girls!!!
noob :P
I have a problem with the replay, too, but different.
I get only a black screen where the replay should be. I use Firefox. Do i need to update my java? or is a game bug?
cheers
D
Players for Sale
Strikers:
Sardihnia, 22yo………..97 shooting
Assis, 23 yo…………….95 shooting
Rabelo, 29yo…………..95 shooting
Midfielders:
Vargas, 23yo…………..88-95 pass-shooting
Duarte, 24yo…………..94-88 pass-shooting
Defenders:
Manaia, 25yo………….85-91 tackle-pass
Prices negotiable!!!
Congrats to France.
A bit sad I lost to Fran, it could have gone either way that semi, but oh well, next season it is.
@Filipe
Yeah, I know of a goalie who can help you. He already has a legendary name, alas, not in sports :D
Next season will be fun. I promise to give you a fight in all three competitions next season.
ENGLAND FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!