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Better performance is probably an easier way to get more investment points :) It’s still possible to build a decent team without spending much transfer money, I think.
If it’s really 1 points for 100M, it should be fixed. But I think it’s more, looking at the extra points I received for this season, though I didn’t try to calculate it.
Ajax did win the world cup in season 42… maybe his tactics/strategy is very good.
Nice actual example Dimitri!
But in real life you that Feyenoord isn’t that good at all right? ;)
What i am saying is that when a team has a THAT much bigger pointlead then it should be a done deal in most of the times. In this case you can’t even compare Feyenoord and PEC with that much because then we where talking about Feyenoord vs Ijsselmeervogels.
Also, how realistic is Ajax:
Pos Team P W D L GF GA PtsCL 1 Ajax 24 23 1 0 92 10 70
CL 2 Roosendaal 24 17 4 3 53 22 55
1 draw in 24 matches, 92 goals in front and only 10 against?
Barcelona in real life isn’t even playing that. And when i look at his team,i’m not sure if that is the dreamed team everybody wants…kudo’s for him, but it is BS.
4: same skill results in different reports. So yes, the previous report should be considered, humans do that too.
Yeah, only problem is not enough points to leave a higher percentage of transfers, so I’ll spend next 20 seasons raising money so I could get higher number of investment points. Also I can’t remember now but it was a very high price on a investment point, like a point equals 100M or something like that.
Something is not right, it seems.
/BK
Investment points relate to performance. So finishing last in the second league means you will receive few points, though you can try to compensate it by having lots of transfer money left.
Where did they go?
Just because team dropping to lower division, can I lose so much investment points without the size, quality, number of visitors on home games changes?
What has really changed that dictates the changes in investment points?
The club is not so much more worse than 2 seasons ago!!
/BK
Comments on some of Dimitri’s questions:
Fourth question – interesting opinion, do you have that opinion for two different skill results in the same report or only same skill results on different reports? I mean, if a scout report is underestimating the shooting could it overestimate the tackle for instance? Maybe you’re suggesting that the previous report from the same team should be taken in consideration when generating a new report.
Firth question – real potential values change, up to a certain age (the exact age varies a little bit)
Sixth question – they are currently estimated independently, maybe connecting them would be more reasonable
So let’s say in real life, if you have a team with a lot of players who are in the national squad (Feyenoord) and another team that has only players with low stats (PEC Zwolle), it would be bullshit if PEC would win?
lol sure sure… 7…. titles is not the second place… lolollll italy is trash ? i don t think so; the trash is how you play this game…… i play in other country and in england and always had better result than you but is not the question…. if you think a little maybe you can win several titles in the future…..
i wont be far behind im starting to fuckn hate this game
I know i won’t be missed and you dont have to read this.
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/3294137
Yip, i’m quitting the game after this season!
What a BS. a 82 keeping with 71 control??
This team has player with prime skill above 90.
Best 4 defenders: 87 85 83 81
midfield 95, 84, 81
attack: 83,82,81
3/4 of the players have only sec stat below 80!!!
I;m putting way to much time into this game to see BS like that.
Fuck the randomness etc.
Gabriel, seriously you have done a great job, but this stuff is way more BS then i can handle and want to put time and effort in.
11, or cant you count?
you stay in a country that is easy maybe thats why you choose to do so. italy is trash
Oh ok, I did everything but didn’t press return/enter. Thanks for the heads up, it solved my problem.
The problem is not de game , 80 season in the game and 7 titles….. nice nice…..
Have you entered? You have to use the green plus and name your new formation. Afterwards you have to enter to confirm.
I don’t seem to be able to create new formations, I can delete them as I managed to delete my reserves formation, but now, whatever I try I just can’t create a new formation whatever I try and name it.
I’ve tried using Firefox and Chrome and cleared my cookies, browsing history etc.
Am I missing something very obvious?
how about this …. fuck scouting improve youth development give us a full youth team we can get rid of those we want, now remember theres wage limits n shit, so not every player you want to sign will be able to be signed due to some managers dumb wage offers ( me excluded im on lv1 wage by choice)
the ability to personaly pick areas to improve youth would be better, and yes coaches focus on things to train this game has fuck all coaching imo
read bugs to understand why im pissed off, and tbh i couldnt give a fuck whos offended
my team 0 reading 0 fucking bullshit, i should have destroyed that pile of shit team, but since im fuckn battling for Europe spot its fucking clear that this game is fucking bullshit and preconcieved from the begining of the season. absolutely bullshit result. 1 more season of this shit im and leaving. theres no at all reason why i should have not gained a europe spot.
all i needed was a fucking win and i would have been in. i beat that shit team chelsea easily yet he gets in. so rigged. i would have been in by 1 point. look at the results and look at the shots difference and the fuckn possesion
I would like to see much more accurate reports at the cost of the amounts of times we can scout per season.
IMO quality is better than quantity…
does anyone agree with this? perhaps limiting scouting to 10 times per season or something, but get much more accurate results would be better than being able to scout every turn but get much less accurate results…
I think this is the first time I agree with Dimitri.
I haven’t encountered huge discrepancies with older players (ex. 22), but at scouting level 10 for “Control” 87 jump to 100, I’d agree, a tad ridiculous at the age 22. Unless the first reading took place when the player was 17. I’d be curious to see the difference at age 23.
you still dont get a higher starting transfer spending salary with level 10 regardless of board performance = 100% and 200m or more left over after the season. this game constantly f’s me over
I would like to make ‘accuracy’ concrete. What is acceptable for the random factor?
So let’s say you have a new youth player, shooting 65, and that this means his potential will be between 75 and 95.
As a human, you will probably add 20 points to estimate his potential. So you guess 75, but you know you can be about 10 points off.
This means that 10 points off is a baseline.
First question: at what level should an scout be as accurate as the baseline? I’d say about level 5
Second question: how much more accurate should a level 10 coach be? At the youngest age, a little bit, about 7 points off max.
Third question: how should accuracy improve over age? I’d say 1 point in two years, or 2 points in 3 years. So a level 10 coach on a 22 yr old is max 3 to 4 points off.
Fourth question: should the points off be in both directions for the same player? So let’s say the first scout report on the new player says 75 shooting and the real value is 85, can the second scout report one year later be 95? In my opinion, not. 20 points difference is too much. Maybe 15 (for a young player) is still acceptable? Not for a 22 yr old though, or on scout level 10.
Fifth question: should the real potential value change? I don’t know if it does, but I guess it should. If the new youth player by chance improves 10 points on shooting in his first year, it means that a human scout will have a higher estimate than 85, so the computer scouts should have higher estimates on average too.
Sixth question: should the estimate on all the skills have any connection, or all be random? In other words, if an estimate on potential value of one skill can be max 10 points off, can the average of all the skills also be max 10 points off (so that a player who is 88 average can have a potential value of 78 average), or should that be less? Not sure about the answer, since the chance on that is very low anyway.
I would like to know how the developers and other players answer these questions (and if I forgot something).
The formulas should be more in line with common sense and reality
Currently:
higher scout level → more accuracy → Good (better scouts give better results)
Younger player → less accuracy → good (the closer to final level, the easier to predict)
Random factor → in general good, but not well programmed.
One example of what should not have been the case.
22 yr old, renewed scout report. Control is 87, old report said 87 potential level, new report says 100. That is 13 points difference on a scale of about 20, so about 35% accuracy. Too much for a 22yr old (with high scouting levels).
(now my bath is almost full, to be continued!)
Guys, I can guarantee there is nothing forcing results to happen based on the current standings, even though there should be on some cases. So the injuries on that match were only caused by the settings for that match + injured players stamina + tackling setup + players aggressiveness and, of course, a little bit of randomness.
You can lose board points if your performance + remaining budget degrades when compared to the previous season. When that happens you will notice that some starting levels for the new season are lower than in the previous.
Same here! Although spending 10 boardpoints is also a big thing.
Perhaps there should be a possibility to loose boardpoints as well? So that it would be hard to get 10 scoutingspoints?
But scouting should be accurate till lets say a margin of 4/5 points. 14 points off is just really nonsence.
I like it the way it is… I feel the game will become much easier if you made finding GOOD players easier. Now, my team has never been uber successful, but I enjoy the hunt for good players and understand that it is hard to find them – as it should be. I think I’ve done OK considering that ITALY can’t produce talent, lol :)
I know that a player will receive a more accurate evaluation as he gets older… so if I believe in the player I signed, I wait until he gets older and scout him again and again. I saw it work first hand with my strikers – also saw it fail with some defenders. Oh well, cut your losses and start looking again. It all just makes sense to me and I think Gabriel implemented this feature right.
Sometimes it is as it is. I know that is a shitty answer. I also sometimes have the feeling things are not right.
For example just a few ticks ago, steady champion Ajax was playing the nm 2 Veendam. I as Roosendaal nm3 with 3 points behind on Veendam had to play against a relegation team with almost only players off max 85 prime skill and secundairy skills all below 80.
Ajax- Veendam was a draw and guess what? I had a draw as well. Just like things needed to be kept like it was.
5-4-1 formation 4-4-2
45% possession 55%
9 shots 24
6 shots on target 19
85% accurrate passes 93%
34% effective tackles 68%
2 corners 1
1 offsides 3
11 fouls 6
And ofcourse the story is that their keeper had the match of his life (10.0). But that keeper (91 keeping and 92 control) should be easily passed by my strikers (90 shooting and 96 control and my other striker 100 shooting and 89 control) IMO. Especially with 19 shots on target.
Sometimes i have the feeling that some clubs need to become champion.
Pos Team P W D L GF GA Pts
CL 1 Ajax 18 17 1 0 68 5 52
CL 2 Roosendaal 18 15 1 2 42 14 46
Also kinda sick that in a strong league like the Dutch is, that the nm 1 has only 1 draw after 18 matches and a 68-5 goalsheet. That in no way is in reall soccer the same.
To add, if you don’t think the feature works (I think it does just fine) – don’t use it. You will just play the game prior to the feature and use your own judgement like we all did.