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So far we officially know that speed is almost as important as keeping for keepers, the rest is just speculation. Off course its not really good to reveal too much that can kill the fun but we have no idea how sophisticated game logic is.
I just hope just adding the skill total of a player doesn’t determine how well he performs but the role you assign depending on players strengths.
For example tackling being most important skill after passing when you put your mid in M -1 zone. Passing being important when your defender is on D +1 zone etc.
As for your example, i would take player A since he is perfect shooter and not really lacking too much in other skills.
Ok, he is good but take a look at Barichello (Torino) when you don’t have the money to buy this one. ;)
He is a great goalkeeper and I will consider every reasonable amount.
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http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/player_info/47902
compare these two strikers (from tackle to head)
A 80 85 100 90 87 87 92 (621)
B 85 70 88 97 96 95 90 (621)
Which player do you think should be the better?
In real life, I think player B is the better one.
Play A can only really function only if has a midfield that can set him up nicely to take shots. He can hardly make something on his own because he lacks enough pace, dribble, and ball control to get past defenders on his own. He is a finisher and that;s about it. He will rely on wingers for example, or on making the 30 meter shots.
Player B, lacks shooting, but with those kind of secondaries, he has a much higher chance to take the ball and put himself in scoring positions where shooting skill won’t matter much. He is a chance maker.
In midfield the thing gets more complicated. Other than secondaries, midfielder should at least be able to either tackle, or shoot, other than passing. That’s why (secondaries aside) an 87-92-83 (tackle, pass, shoot) is better than a 77-100-77 midfielder.
In addition, the tackle quality should depend on the dribble quality of the opposing player. For example, a 75 tackle can perhaps have the same success on 80 dribbler, as a 85 tackler has on a 92 dribbler (just a supposition)
As for defender’s passing, generally speaking, they make the easiest passes (passing sideways to one another or to a free mid). In RL defenders have usually above 80% passing ratio. Midfielder passing stands between 60-80
iPhone version ftw :)
Ruby is damn slow for the backend processing (right marginais?), it would be great if some logic could be moved to another language to speed things up ;)
Danilo wanted to integrate bugtracking, forums and more in another platform, I don’t know how much he has worked on this aspect.
Finally, as far as my very sporadic contributions are concerned, there should be a new version of the match replay written in Flash (which should look smoother / prettier too)!
(Gabriel: gzip + bytecode all that crappy match replay input format, thanks!)
Wish you all a great new year!
I kind of agree the midfielders and defenders scoring is not a bad thing but it will make more sense if only players with high shooting or heading scores regularly. Same goes with other statistics. Its common to see defenders with poor passing having high passing success or midfielders with poor tackling having high tackling success. The problem i think is the supporting skills have too much weigh determining players performance in these areas .
We should all live with some unlucky results but luck almost always favors the weaker sides. You would like to get lucky also when your team is dominating making most of your chances and winning by a large margin. Right now this rarely happens and almost all games are tight.
hmm… no worries gab, at least from my side :) i am doing pretty much better than the season before… ( last season was also better compared to before…;) )
although sometimes i feel for strikers…, but i don’t want to be those strikers to be as good as they were before the updates, it is good that midfielders are getting more shots in, but they are all becoming christiano ronaldo… may be that should reduce a lil bit, not too much… … apart from that i kind of like the match engine updates… i wouldn’t ask you guys to change it drastically, i think a lil bit of fine tuning would be more preferable… i think we are heading in the right direction :)
but then… purpose of this thread was actually to divert attention from match results and let the guys get some broader view of management… Not just a team but looking at the championship as a whole… but seems i pretty much failed there :)
The player left message comes with an explanation (unless we forgot some situation, but I don’t think so). The contract may have ended, the guy who bought may have fired the player, the player may have missed too many official matches, your coaching level was reduced below the level agreed in the loan contract…I think these are the only options I can think of :)
@DaMaGo: the logic is the same for both dimensions
@Nirabdha: Danilo is currently flying to Australia, it should take him 1 or 2 weeks to establish and have some time to work on RS…I’m feeling pretty well, already got back to my regular job so I should be back to RS soon
I think I am one of the few here who actually thinks the latest tweaks in game engine are good ones. Of course, Gabriel and Danilo have yet to implement the complete package, but I like what I see and looking forward to the rest
1. Strikers are not scoring as much as before! While many of you dislike this change, I do find it great.
-Before the changes excellent strikers could average 2 or 3 goals per game. We had strikers in the main leagues scoring up to 100 goals a season. That’s HIGHLY unrealistic.
-After the change, the midfield to great extent, and the defense to a much smaller extent, are being involved in scoring. That is Excellent and Highly realistic. At the same time, the strikers have not become dead wood, instead, they are scoring at rate strikers are supposed to score as in real life.
Valencieness Statistics in FT in 21 games so far
Strikers 20 goals (54%)
Midfield 14 goals
Defenders 3 goals
Premier League Stats in RL season 09/10
Team________GS_____GM_____GD
Chelsea_____19_____18_____3
United______22_____15_____3
Arsenal_____19_____22_____7
Liverpool___23_____10_____3
Total_______83_____65_____16
Basically: Strikers score 50%, Mids 40%, Defense 10%
Instead of relying on just 1-2 super strikers, now the whole team matters :)
2. The weird results
Like many here, I have had my share of shitty scores, in complete contrast with the performance on the pitch. All the weird results have been against me.
3 away games for Valencieness
2-1 (8-22 shots)
2-2 (6-18 shots)
2-0 (6-25 shots)
2 home games
1-1 (31-3)
1-1 (23-11) this one is acceptable
However, these scores are not the result of the latest changes. They have been a commonality before it. Of course, it needs to be fixed asap, but again, it has been here all along.
3. Problems from watching the replay
-Players running toward the goal, all alone and no defenders in front of them, stop, get caught by an opposing defender from behind a lose the ball.
-Players in the same kind of situation who pass the ball back, instead of continuing the run and take a shot on the goal.
-Players in defense keep passing the ball to opposition players for no reason at all.
-Players who are unmarked and have space in front of them, just pass the ball to a marked players instead of pushing forward.
-In contrast, players who are marked and have no where to go, refuse to pass the ball to the close by and unmarked teammate. Even if them teams is playing rare & short passing, this doesn’t make sense.
-Players with low dribble act like the Messi twin.
-One on one situations should usually end up in goal. It doesn’t
-I have seen many offside passes that have been allowed.
-And more…
To stand correct, I assume the reply doesn’t exactly present what “really” happens on the pitch, hence, what we see can be illusive.
Anyway, I think the changes are positive and hopefully more are on the way. And we should not forget all this is possible on the creators personal expenses and spare time.
cheers
D
This is for anybody who wants to help. Besides the list of first and second division teams we’d need images for the team logos (any size and format will do it, we can adjust it…unless you want to do that for us which would be appreciated), name of divisions and national cup. Remember we’d like to have 20 teams per division in all countries in the future, so we’d need 40 teams to make 2 divisions. If the suggested country has less than 20 teams per division it would be necessary to pick some from the third division so we could make it.
We could move back to the old engine while things don’t get fixed, if that’s for the best.
Pires, you just want to buy him , too bad you can’t :P
I will consider offers for any player at Guimarães, I want to increase player rotation on the team so some players can leave for very cheap prices, take a look!
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/team_info/326
Exactly Nirabdha, CPU teams don’t deal with loans yet so Davison, unfortunately they will ignore your requests instead of evaluating whether or not to accept it :(
I hate the game engine changes…no, actually despise the changes.
Not one tactic I’ve tried works conclusively. Not one.
Also, having 5 straight divisional ties is not very realistic.
its not an explanation but merely a suggestion… may be his loan contract ran out…
you know, life sometimes is pretty much unfair.
i bought a player that was loaned to another team. i request the oan termination but the coach don´t accept. now a guy bought a player that was loaned to my team and he left the club. can you explain this?
lets hope gabriel recovers quickly, danilo settles-down down under quickly and take some time to update the match engine…
currently strikers are more or less useless and keepers are valuable because of feeble shots from midfielders…
Yes, you are right!!!
There is a huge fight for la Liga, although i can’t understand the logic!!!!!! Geta lost plenny matches because the most value player was the goalie. I try everything but nothing worked, Geta it is not the same, but still i think a top team in la liga.
I just thinking erasing all default formation, and go on vacation!!!! or maybe hire a manager……got some ideas???
The Game it is going nuts!!!!! I think Bustamante for 300 mill sound much more real, than the game logic.
PD. Gabriel, can you tell me if both dimension are playing under the same logic?
Thanks, Good year for every one!!!!
Salud
Damago
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Top 5 : Points Difference Between the top team and the team placed fifth in the league
Top 7 : Points Difference Between the top team and the team placed seventh in the league
Top 10 : Points Difference Between the top team and the team placed tenth in the league
(in both the cases larger the difference less competitive the league)
(i am sorry i have included only the top 8 teams for the purpose of analysis).
Stats are based on the data available after round 18 of season 33.
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Brazil
Top 5 : 12
Top 7 : 16
Top 10 : 18
Argentina
Top 5 : 9
Top 7 : 13
Top 10 : 20
England
Top 5 : 15
Top 7 : 15
Top 10 : 20
France
Top 5 : 13
Top 7 : 17
Top 10 : 19
Germany
Top 5 : 14
Top 7 : 16
Top 10 : 20
Italy
Top 5 : 24
Top 7 : 25
Top 10 : 27
Portugal
Top 5 : 9
Top 7 : 11
Top 10 : 20
Spain
Top 5 : 6
Top 7 : 8
Top 10 : 11
From the Data above, it is quite clear that Spain is the most competitive league after round 18. Portugal lies close second in top 5 and 7, but loses out in the Top 10 calculations. Argentina, Brazil and France are also quite competitive. Italy is the least competitive league as the statistic suggests and thus, Napoli could be in for a shot at champions league title this season ;)
well… davison, i am human, so, i cannot answer on behalf of computer (CPU Teams). May be they have different strategy, and it could be that now they don’t need your players… i don’t think this is that big an issue… i have seen CPU teams buying players, but never saw CPU teams entering into the loan market…
k so no one has an answer for this ?
any goalie on my team can be forsale
message me a price and you have a goalie
markko… if you have any country in your thoughts, please suggest one along with its first division and second division teams… it is better if you have the full list of teams:)
k i apologize for my language but im sick and tired of having the best team at times and not winning when i surely deserve to
the fwds are useless even with 97 shot
top scorers in the premier league are fkn midfielders
fix this now dammit
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/632377
every fucking match result
I would like to know if we will have new countries for next season?
- if yes : which ones?
- if no : how could I propose myself to make it?
you can always check my team for good players my GK is very interesting as he is still young and progress a lot.
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/632355
its getting retarded
Aitor de Sotomayor
Age: 27
Attributes
Position: M
Side: C
Keeping: 32
Tackle: 71
Passing: 92
Shooting: 87
Speed: 100
Dribble: 84
Control: 99
Header: 92
Aggressiveness: 50
Stamina: 99
Listed Price: 17 million (Negotiable)
Bento Caldas
Age: 25
Attributes
Position: AM 16-swap
Side: RC
Keeping: 28
Tackle: 73
Passing: 86
Shooting: 88
Speed: 100
Dribble: 93
Control: 98
Header: 98
Aggressiveness: 53
Stamina: 99
Liste Price: 16 million (Negotiable)