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Interesting point, maybe we can consider a way to “tell” the board you are doing a long term work as you said Dimitri. I don’t think it can be too loose like a 3 season grace period as Charles mentioned, but it could make the board take it easier on your initially bad results :)
I think that punishing teams filing in younger players should be reviewed. My proposal: Young players gain experience when playing important matches. If the number of matches of a young player exceeds some limit (may be a hidden attribute), he should be considered sufficiently experienced not creating a penalty for the team.
Perhaps a 3 season grace period or something like that. I wonder what repercussions it would have on cheating (if it would curb it or increase it).
a good manager wouldnt get fired even during rebuilding
Most of us know about ‘rebuild mode’: instead of focussing on short term results, you focus on the long term, getting talented young players and developing them. It’s fun to do it, I think, to see how your players become better and better. There is one disadvantage though: since on the short term you lose a lot of matches, the board will think you do very badly. This means that if someone else applies for your club, you’ll be fired.
Imagine how this feels: you put a lot of work in a club, put together a real good squad of talented players, and just before you expect the good results will start, someone else takes over your position and reaps the fruit of your labor. That sucks, right?
Wouldn’t it be better if the board is more tolerant of bad results in rebuild mode?
selling some solid 19 year olds of all types im looking to buy defenders and midfielders that are 21-24 years old must have 90 tackel ( def ) 90 passing ( mid)
Performance: I understand what you’re saying, when you play most of the season against weaker teams it’s much harder to get your ratings up as any loss or draw, any early elimination or position below expectation in the league would drop your performance considerably. Maybe after finishing the economy changes we can rethink the manager performance evaluation process.
Retiring players: completely agree. That should be easier to change :)
Cheers
Again a very exciting season. AGOVV and PSV had the same amount of points with three matches to go, AGOVV was ahead by just two goals. Then they won their next matches with 14-0 and 12-0! Between them and the title was just an away match against Ajax… which they lost 4-2. So by winning the last three matches PSV again became champion!
Also Feyenoord did very well this season by qualifying for the CL by taking the 4th place. They have a very young squad which will probably compete for the title in the near future. NEC for the second time in a row just managed to avoid relegation, but they will probably compete for European football in two seasons. There were also two new managers and decent results in Europe, the Dutch League is doing well at the moment!
So what does the board say? Win the league with 20 points ahead?
First the performance, i find it a bit hard to get this rating up after the latest change. I won the league 5 out of 6 seasons, the cup 3 out of 6 seasons, and been in european group stage the last 10 seasons, i have improved the stadium to 60.000 seats and the bank is above 1 bill.
My current performance rating is 5%!! Im a real life FC Copenhagen fan, and in real life they would be building statues all over Copenhagen of me for this kind of performance :) :)
Just think its to hard to achieve a positive rating now, focussing to much on some issues and not at all on others.
Retiring players: I find it wrong that they would ask for more salary if you fire them in their last year, taking in note that they themselves have terminated the contract already.
You could argue that the transferlist link should be removed, or maybe allow for a low transfer price.
/Jakob
Oi Henrique,
Na verdade o Robert Junior vendeu esse jogador ao Rampla Junios, que na época não tinha treinador.
Abraço
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Just clarifying that the player mentioned was sold, not bought, by Robert Junior.
Damn cheating cpu managers!
O treinador do Botafogo, Robert Junior, na época que treinava o Rampla Juniors, na temporada 37 ao turno 98, comprou um jogador por um preço muito maior. (Robert Junior Matheus Rocha 45721929 Transferido de Botafogo para Rampla Juniors.)
Idade: 22
Nacionalidade:
Clube: Rampla Juniors
Clube anterior: Botafogo
Valor Estimado: $41,870,900
Atributos
Posição: G
Lado: -
Goleiro: 78
Roubada: 34
Passe: 72
Chute: 28
Velocidade: 79
Drible: 75
Controle: 83
Cabeçada: 83
Agressividade: 44
Vigor: 100
Fora da realidade!
I’m already scared of your team Charles :)
don’t worry guys: the best managers will keep being the better ones and the worst will keep being the worst, no matter what. It was SS and MS law, it will always be RS law. nothing will change.
Many players gone, new ones listed, prices droped… Make your offer:
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/team_players/172
Me neither Dimitri, considering i changed teams not long ago… but i guess we all gotta take the plunge sometime :)
it’ll change things up a bit as i find things to have been stale for quick some time now. Not complaining about it as i like Ruby :)
The description of the changes suggest it’s a good idea to invest in players now, yes.
I’m not looking forward to the changes, it looks like it will be a whole different game with it. But I’ll see how it goes.
should i go on a spending spree ?
We just finalised our discussions about the changes Gabriel has been working on. It looks like things will be ready soon!
It’s being worked on. I’m finalizing the new concepts and will discuss them with Danilo. The initial idea is that there will be no concept of money balance any more, the board will provide a transfer budget and total wages cap. The level of coaching, scouting, physio and stadium as well as the level of transfer budget, wages cap will be determined on season start based on past season performance and country ranking. The manager will have to decide which of those areas to improve or worsen. Oh, and there is also a level of return on players sold, which is a % of money earned selling players that will be added to the transfer budget.
The stadium will have a different role. The level of stadium will determine the amount of pressure on opponents (currently it’s always -3 on all attributes except for players 31 years old and above) and will provide a bonus for the transfer budget.
Player values and wages formulas will be updated and adjusted according to the new model. The estimated prices won’t be dynamic any more but will always follow the same formula. Managers will continue to be able to decide the transfer price for a player.
I guess that’s it for now. As I said, it’s still being finalized and is subject to changes, but I’m looking forward to putting it in place :-)
Cheers
ok so whats the current timeline. is this just being spoken about or being worked on ? how soon can this be moving forward ?
So many years playing the game something would learn eventually :D Even so my strategy with West Ham is a little diferent, almost all the players on the main team cost crazy money :D
Filipe, how nice are they really, is that a hidden variable for the player and you found out, through your years of research and analysis? :D
/BK
Several nice players for sale at the best prices you find in the market. Take a look, you will like:
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/team_players/172
Just some ideas:
1.Like in national teams, if the board objectives are not fulfilled, a manager gets fired. For example, if a manager for two/three successive seasons doesn’t reach the board objectives (position in national league) he gets fired. The focus should be in the position in the national league (not in cups).
2.Player clause: for example, some players may demand minimum numbers of official games played (example, play half of national league games). If not, the player decides not to renew is contract.
3.Player contracts: players may decide not to renew his contract if the club doesn’t achieves the board objectives (during the length of is contract).
4.In my opinion, these improvements will allow good players to move around and also good teams will be available to coach.
5.The maximum CPU teams may offer for a player his is estimated value. This will prevent crazy transfers
Gabriel and Danilo, there are problems that can be solved and there are problems that can not be solved by you.
Here are my general (and business-wise important) suggestions:
1. Move over to Facebook, the forums, the game, everything, use marketing there to get bigger crowd of managers.
2. Realistic player/club/economy model – do a research or get few students who do master thesis on statistics or similar
3. Tie knowledgeable people to key positions in RS project, as MS once did, responsible persons in areas as Data, Game Masters etc.
Do not think about the ownership too much, or you will end up with having the whole of a non-existing cookie, instead of a big slice of a big cake.
4. Have a (business) plan about what you intend to do with this game.
Most of you might not know this but MS HAD such a plan. I’ve seen those documents, they were very detailed and interesting, and keep in mind that those were written like 10 years ago. I might be wrong but it looks to me like you don’t know what/where to go with this project. At the moment it is as good as dead. If I was in deciding position with this I would end it sooner than later. It is as bad as this, sorry. I want to give you a reality check.
Not to be just negative, there is still some chance to get things right, if you do this properly. You have to do the right things though.
I would suggest that when starting to do something, start with a ‘WHY’ rather than ‘HOW’. Do not take one or two individuals opinion as a common rule on things.
Another thing:
Apps – you should consider this, in-game purchases are very interesting economy model in many “free” games today.
MS = ManagerSim
/BK
Yeah, the ratings don’t always reflect the player abilities…especially cause it also depends on how he’s being used in the squad (position, strategies, etc).
Having player’s value depend on player’s performance makes no sense with the current player’s performance rating. It makes no difference to me if a 95 tackling midfielder has a 6 pts average career… I can still pay 300M for him, wouldn’t like if the board didn’t let me pay because of his performance…
a collaboration of both our ideas i like