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Glenn Kevan for 140M … now it’s 155M for Dennis Moutinho – a defender.
I understand the reason behind your request Parag, but it’s not as easy as it sounds to integrate this restriction into the current criteria (team quality). Nevertheless it is on the enhancement list as Vaughn pointed out (even though I guess that only refers to the qualifying stage), so we’ll give it a try ;)
@Parag: I think there is a mistake. You are confusing posts. Vaughn, also known as Nicky Broos is with Juventus. He’s not with psg or any french team (anymore). So I don’t understand your post which says "vaughan has himself said he wanted to focus on champions league rather than the league and that he had little chance against monaco. ".
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He’s not in the same league as Monaco :)…..Vaughn plays @ Juventus :)
vaughn, there is no problem in meeting teams from the same league after the group stage. if there are four teams from the same league in knockout round (quarter-finals), then quarter finals should be organized in such a way that not all teams from the same league reach the semi finals and same in the semi-finals too so that more leagues can represent the CL/EL (europa league). (similar as in real uefa competition)
A penalty by the board is the best option I guess. But I don’t think you can use a certain score as 10-0. Some teams are already weak and would “normally” lose the match with 4-0 anyway according to the board. Other teams are strong and need to win the match win 4-0 according the board.
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So for a weaker team the difference for a board penalty is only 6 goals in stead of 14 goals for a stronger team. And the stronger teams mostly have a good B-squad.
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There are 2 options in my opion:
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- A) You count for example 10 goals with the result expected by the board for a penalty. So a “normal expected” loss of 4-0 becomes 14-0 loss and a “normal expected” 4-0 victory becomes a 6-0 loss.
This way you give stronger teams the same chance of punishment.
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- B) Strong teams will have a bad result much faster. So you count the penalty for the bad result and an extra penalty for the very bad result.
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We have to find a solution for this problem before the new world cup is impleted. Teams have to play more matches and these kind of problems will occur much more.
it’s on the enchancement list :) Though meeting an other team from your league should in my opinion be possible…it’s not ideal, not at all, but it should still be random.
Attributes
Position: A
Side: C
Keeping: 52
Tackle: 68
Passing: 66
Shooting: 79
Speed: 76
Dribble: 81
Control: 92
Header: 80
Aggressiveness: 59
Price : 900,000 only (negotiable)
Only reason to sell him is i feel my squad has many relatively good strikers, and i want some open slots…
I just checked this seasons champions league group stage matches and got quite bemused to see two french teams in the same group… i think it is good to have separate teams from different leagues in one group during the group stage.
I feel playing in the champions league is about playing against the teams from different leagues. And i don’t think it is justifiable to play against the same team that you have been playing season-in and season-out everytime in your national league.
It should be a different story in the knockout stages though. you should be ready to play anyone at that time…
Since there are 4 groups i don’t know why we couldn’t have 4 teams in different groups. i don’t think teams require protection at this highest level… just my opinion though.
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Similarly, i saw that two spanish teams were in the same group last season despite having only 3 spanish teams at that stage… and similarly italians and spanish teams suffered the same fate the season before that.
well, sly no one is accusing french teams… vaughan has himself said he wanted to focus on champions league rather than the league and that he had little chance against monaco. watch his 3rd and 5th comments on the related thread. and i think other teams lower than him benefited rather lose anything with that decision. In fact he didn’t cheat against anyone in the league with that decision, but then since he could not do well in the CL, he did against his on board…
But having said that i have always said there should be some penalty against manager from the concerned club. and i think removing this 10 point penalty limit is the best option for now…
do well u get rewarded, do bad you pay
LOL @ Sly. I agree though, it’s not so much cheating just not in the " sporting code ". In fact, no, there was money involved so it was cheating.
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but i think they should be forgiven for been so brazenly honest about it and giving us all a laugh
I’m ok with the awards and I agree with torte205’s suggestion of a certain amount depending on where they finish. We already have an enhancement planned for that.
I’ll remove the board 10 points penalty limit ;)
PSG didn’t play reserves though. He only played a youth goaly because his own goaly got injured. I don’t like accusations towards teams in my country. Please keep them out of it :)…we are Boo – ing at Santo Andre for bribing team!! :)…BOOOO!!! BAD BOY!!! :p
How about like in real life where teams get a certain amount depending on where they finish? for EXAMPLE 1st = 10m, 2nd 7 , 3rd 6 and so on…
“Now I think Dot should not pay Meninao. muhahahah! :)”
I totally agree with you Danilo! XD
The way I see it, the only way we can efficiently prevent this is to adjust the board – so they become very unhappy if you have a 10 x nil result, for example. But let’s see where the discussion goes.
Remember the Incident with PSG and Monaco this is what I am talking about. this is Unethical remember what happened in Italy a few years ago, this is in the same ball park, I see no difference between buying a Referee and Buying the other team.
in (RS) Brazil’s case there was an amount 7.5M, in France (Monaco 21 X 0 PSG) we do not know if there was an agreement between the 2 coaches (wich I personaly think that it did happen.) if everyone actualy stops and thinks about what happened, line in my previos comment about this related incident in France just think what will happen in the furute.
Now I think Dot should not pay Meninao. muhahahah! :)
topic name clearlly states: “Win the league awards”
pfff this is not Winner Takes It All =)
Sales in Genoa!
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2 topdefenders
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Sascha Heindrich 29 y.o.
Tackle 92
Great secondaries
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Stefano Lodi 28 y.o.
Tackle 95
Great secondaries
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1 Top midfielder
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Eberardo Barragan 27 y.o.
Tackle 92
Passing 92
Great secondaries
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Take a look. Some prices are negotiatable.
I have one on CRB/Brazil. But i want to sell..
Great GK. Take a look: Simone Golinelli http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/player_info/48568
uhm dhimitri, my example was only for the league winner :)
Example (similar to Vaughn’s post above): Strasbourg
At the end of season 23 Strasbourg sold its 2 best players for a total of 90 mill
Since then Strasbourg has bought a total of 14 players in the market spending 87.6 mill. The real value (not the market value) was much smaller)
2 of the players bought have been sold for a total of 17 mill and the rest have a total value of 108.4 mill as listed in the players page. However, the market value of all this players is higher! only 2 players have finished growth, the rest will keep increasing in value
From simple calculations we have:
Purchases = 87.6 mill (market value)
Value = 125.4 mill (real value)
Profit = 37.6 mill
I can gladly conclude strasbourg has made good business by growing its assets and let’s not forget in terms of market values the team’s wealth is much higher than 125.4 mill
Lastly, I have not included another 18 players purchased between the age of 17-20 on free starting 4 seasons ago (when I took the job), whose value is pretty much all profit after substracting the money spend on their wages :).
I understand all the positions here, but I think something can be done to avoid this kind of situations. I read somewhere the performance penalty for losing a match has now a max of 10 points. I think that should not exist and the penalty for results like 9 or 10 goals difference should be penalty even with more points than the usual. This way managers will have to be careful sparing their team…
Regards
Vaughn I don’t think you should charge more for goals allowed than for goals scored. That would financially kill teams at the bottom of the table
Le Havre (ranked 17th) = 7×25k + 37×1k – 98X5 = 306k – 490k= (184000)
Anyway, the sums applied here are symbolical and do not make that much of a difference in a team’s income.
I think a reward system should be complemented, but it should by far not match the basic source of income which comes from sales vs purchases of player (including here growing successful youth)
What most people should understand is that:
1.Success gets rewarded therefore successful teams should have bigger incomes based on rewards
2.As many managers from big teams have explained before, it’s not cash in possession that counts (financially speaking cash in hand is pretty much useless as it does not generate income).
The real wealth of the club is its assets (its players). Ppl should take notice that when Big Team A buys a player worth 150 Mln, it probably managed to do so by selling 2-3 of its players to raise the money, rather that just unloading cash from its back account :)
who haven’t helped a friend? loaning players etc, i won’t say how we did it cause it might be considered “not fair” :)
bigger clubs have more advantage…i don’t think so rly. Like now we don’t have rewards and u see any difference? it’s all about the manager, buy cheap players or from free transfer and hope the grow to become a star and sell expensive. Cutting the costs of your finance. There isn’t much more to do. So smaller teams have a small chance to get big, once again, it all depends on the manager buying players and selling (or keeping the stars :P).
Just check real life, there aren’t many small team who have grown big in a small amount of time. It takes time to develp players. The only advantage bigger clubs have are a little bit more income and better players to sell. But the bigger teams also have to take yought to keep growing, why can’t a small team do that? We all have the same free transfer list, ok some have better country ranking ;) but they can’t keep all the players cause there is a limit.
I’ve sold this season only like 1 players (or maybe end prev season) and bought alot of yought for alot of money, it’s a chance i’m willing to take to make maybe 1 or 2 stars from the 6 players i bought for a total of 75mill! If they all don’t grow i’m in big shit to :)
Maybe a reward compared to there matches won/goals scored/goals against, something like this (taken genoa);
30 wins x $25.000 = $750.000
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110 goals for x $1.000 = $110.000
= $860.000
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31 goals against x $5.000 = $155.000
= total: $705.000 reward
Oh, and I’ve also used my friendly squad in the past in situations like the one Vaughn described in order to give my youths some experience. I didn’t care whether or not the opponent was fighting for the title or a international cup spot. I haven’t done that in a while though. Shame on me! :(
@Philipp: “It’s just “sportsmanship” that should lead everybodys actions, not just what’s written and what’s been monitored.” – very well said ;)
@amacb: I’m glad to know you feel this way
@Meninao: I think everybody understands your reasons but most users didn’t like it. I don’t think this is good for the game but as I said before I don’t feel like punishing anybody because it would be unfair not punishing other managers with the same behavior, which would require a precious amount of time to investigate
When people have friends playing the game it is inevitable they try to help each other somehow. I’ve had friends who lost games on purpose (when there was nothing else they wanted to fight for in the competition) to help me without me asking them to do so. Is this bad for fair play and competition? Yes, of course, and I discourage this behavior, even when this is done with good faith.
Hope you guys understand our situation and have the same spirit as Amac, who is now even more motivated to win the league next season ;)
Cheers!