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E C C sounds reasonable.
This does not: “New countries: yes, totally agree, the more the better.”
Why would this be so? I think it’s better to concentrate on getting new managers then new countries. Without new managers, new countries will probably be almost empty.
I would like to ask you guys to focus our discussion in 3 things now:
1) Which managers should be fired after continental cup?
a) None.
b) All.
c) All except the winner.
d) All except the ones with best performance. (how many, 2, 3, 4?)
e) Fire only those disqualified by a weaker team.
2) Which managers should be fired after world cup?
a) None.
b) All.
c) All except the winner.
d) All except the ones with best performance. (how many, 2, 3, 4?)
e) Fire only those disqualified by a weaker team.
3) Players selection.
a) Let CPU choose the players
b) Let managers choose the players among the best available.
c) Let managers choose the players among the best available but don’t give players experience for playing national team matches so that managers don’t feel tempted to pick his club’s players.
My choices and explanation:
1-e: since all competitions will happen every season, continental cups are like a preparation for the world cup, so you should be fired only if you performed below expectations;
2-c: we want more managers to be able to experience national teams, but the WC winner should have the chance to player one more season;
3-c: I don’t wanna ruin the player’s evolution system or ruin the player selection flexibility by having biased managers picking their own players for the national team, so I think this is the best solution.
By the way, when I said players would get valuable points in the national squad I didn’t mean they would receive extra potential, as suggested by Julio Cezar, only more experience points than in a club’s match…just to clarify ;-)
New countries: yes, totally agree, the more the better…the problem is it takes a while to gather all the information for a new country, even with some help…and for new continents, it will be even harder, which doesn’t mean we will stick forever with Europe and South America, the idea was always to have all continents.
CPU managing your club: I’ve got the message and I have to say I understand and agree…you should be able to manage your club and the national squad at once…I’ll do my best to make this change as smooth as possible.
Rules for firing managers from national team: most managers will be fired at the end of 1 season, no manager will be able to stay at the same national team for more than 2 seasons and you’ll have to wait 1 season before managing a national team again. Now we need to decide which managers will not be fired.
Players selection: while discussing the design me and Danilo considered this problem (managers selecting players from their own clubs)…you won’t be able to select ANY players, only the best, but even in this case I believe the national team manager’s club will have lots of top players, since it is a top manager, so that’s not enough. I would like to give managers flexibility, but I’m ok with removing that as well.
I’ll write a new post with things we should focus on discussing now :-)
Translation for Julio Cezar’s post:
I liked very much the idea of national teams…I’ll give my opinion in order to try to help you doing it the best way you can.
1- I don’t agree in leaving the club to manage the national team, I wouldn’t leave Nancy for anything. I also don’t think it’s good to let CPU manage your team, this way the best clubs will be controlled by CPUs, another reason I wouldn’t leave Nancy one season with the CPU. Who knows I could do that to see how it works, but only once. I agree with the idea of letting a manager managing his club and the national team at the same time.
2- regarding how long the manager will be in the national teams:
I agree that the first 3 or 4 teams in a competition have the right of staying for 1 more season in the national team, in other words, the manager would stay for 1 or 2 season in the national team, after that he is fired and will be able to manage another national team after 1 season only. I say that because I ‘m considering that best ranked managers will have priority in managing national teams. I think you could also take the Hall of Fame in consideration along with the ranking. If you don’t do this way (forcing a 1 season period without managing a national team before being able to do that again) two managers could be fired from their national teams and apply for each other national teams, so the same managers would always be in charge of the national teams (supposing they’re still at the top of the manager ranking) while if you don’t allow them to manage another national team right away there will be more opportunity for other managers.
3 – picking players for the national teams:
Gabriel, you said the players will earn valuable points in the national squad, I don’t know exactly how that is going to work, specially because the players that will have the chance of playing for the national squad will probably be the oldest ones, the ones that don’t improve anymore. So I believe they will earn points to improve beyond their maximum, like an extended maximum for these players. I like the idea if that’s what you’re planning, this helps improving the old players market. If that’s the idea, or even if the idea is to improve players in the current system it will make managers pick their club players so that they improve faster or beyond their maximum. I think it is ok if CPU continues picking the players because it will always choose the best, similarly to what the manager would do, changing one or two players, if the manager is fair without choosing his club’s players, what I think will happen for sure.
(I tried Babelfish… ehhh… not exactly clear.)
I think everyone agrees that managers should be allowed to manage club and country… the only issue is that if this causes issues with huge design changes in the game.
I am DYING to know what Julio Cezar said!!! Someone translate it for me!!!
In principle, I think everyone leagues with human managed teams are more interesting than leagues with mainly cpu managed teams. So I think it would be better if people are allowed to manage both a club and a national team. It happens in real life too (Advocaat, Hiddink), I don’t think there are big objections and it’s better for the game.
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Things have changed.
After six games my results were 2 ties, 4 losses, 4-10.
After twenty-six games 15 wins, 7 ties, 4 losses, 80-21…
Not sure what made the change, but I have good hope to go back to the Eredivisie.
yeah the managers like us need to form together and stick with it… screw felipe and the like
gabreil will figure him out… if not now… he will… pure confidence in the admins of this game.
gostei muito da idéia das seleções… vou dar umas opiniões para tentar ajudar que seja feita da melhor maneira possível esta parte das seleções.
1- eu ñ concordo em deixar o time para assumir uma seleção, eu ñ deixaria o Nancy por nada, vc deixar uma CPU comandar seu time tbém ñ acho legal, senão os melhores times vão estar sendo controlados por CPUs, tbém outro motivo que ñ me faria deixar o Nancy por uma temporada com a CPU, quem sabe eu até poderia fazer isto por experiência, mas eu faria isto uma vez só, eu concordo com a idéia de deixar o técnico com liberdade para comandar seu time e a seleção ao mesmo tempo.
2- quanto ao tempo que os técnicos vão permanecer no comando das seleções nacionais:
eu concordo com a ideia de que os 3 ou 4 primeiros colocados na competição disputada tenha o direito de ficar por mais 1 temporada no comando da seleção, ou seja, o técnico vai ficar 1 ou no maximo 2 temporadas no comando da seleção, após isto ele é demitido da seleção e só vai poder pegar uma outra seleção após uma temporada, pq digo isto, estou levando em conta que quem vai ter preferência em pegar as seleções vão ser os técnicos mais bem posicionados no ranking de técnicos, acho q poderia levar tbém em consideração o Hall da Fama junto com o ranking… sendo assim imagina que um técnico ficou uma temporada em uma seleção nacional e ñ ficou entre os 4 primeiros, logo foi mandado embora, ele saindo da seleção ele logo em seguida vai pegar uma outra, e o da outra pega a que vc estava comandando, logo fica um rodizio dos mesmos técnicos nas seleções, vc não permitindo que ele possa pegar uma logo na seqüência abre portas para outros managers pegarem tbém.
3- quanto a escalação das seleções:
assim, vc Gabriel disse que os jogadores vão ganhar pontos valiosos na seleção, não sei bem como vai ser feito estes pontos, tipo, sendo que os jogadores muito provavelmente irão ter chance de ir pra seleção são os jogadores que ja são mais velhos, ou seja, ja ñ evoluem mais, sendo assim acredito q eles irão ganhar pontos valiosos e podem chegar a evoluir um pouco mais alem do seu maximo, como se fosse um “maximo” a mais para um jogador q foi convocado, eu em particular gostei muito da idéia se for esta mesmo, isto até ajuda a melhorar o mercado de jogadores mais velhos.
Dai se for esta idéia ou mesmo q os pontos valiosos sejam para jogadores que ainda tem a evoluir isto vai acabar fazendo o atual técnico da seleção dar preferência em pegar os jogadores do seu time, para que eles evoluam mais rápido ou que evoluam o “maximo a mais” que a seleção iria dar para ele.
por isso acho q para que ñ haja problemas, prefiro que a CPU continue convocando os jogadores, pois se for ver, a CPU vai convocar os melhores sempre, a convocação seria muito parecida com a do técnico, provavelmente mudaria um ou outro jogador, isto se o técnico for justo na convocação e ñ de preferência para os jogadores do seu próprio time, q eu acho q vai acontecer com certeza.
I will soon translate to English my opinion.
as I expected… managers with long histories with very good teams are not very willing to let their clubs run on CPU.
Like Filipe, I tend to get bored with the same team after a while, and move around. So, I’m ok with letting my team be on CPU for a while.
If it going to be a huge headache to let the National team managers run their club teams also… then I’d like to just get started with National teams anyway… and letting the CPU run your club for a while is the price you pay for national team glory! :)
That way, we could begin to get any bugs worked out. And then do any needed game design changes to allow a manager to do club and country simultaneously (when you can get to it).
just my opinion…
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If you are one of the best managers , you should be award to manage both teams, please dont let Cpus to be in charge of the best clubs, this is so wrong and unfair……
so, if you get a national team, you must do well or be fire so fast… only 3 managers should stay after the WC.
use this as a reward for good managers… and if you get fire, you should wait to be elegible to coach other (any) country.
When we´ll be ready to start??
salud.
I agree with Dave, Ruby needs Mexico and USA,
In the same note, I also think that Colombia, Peru, Ecuador and Venezuela need to be added to even America out with Europe, it also needs teams from Asia, North Korea, South Korea, Japon, China ( People’s Republic of China). and from Africa. Angola, Cameroon, South Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, Ivory Coast. if these teams were added we would have a total of 32 teams and that will be a wounderfull World Cup.
I’ve no problem with leaving your team to manage a national team… It is good for your reputation and a new challenge in the game… I kinda get bored if I stay to much time en the same team… Right now I’m just waiting for the Portuguese Nat team call to leave Guimarães :D
My comments:
a) I’m inclined to allow a manager to have 2 jobs at the same time (club and national squad).
b) Anybody will be able to apply for the national team and the best will be selected. It will be similar to the logic when more than one manager is applying for a club, except that managers playing in the same country as the national team will have a “bonus” in the decision. And as I said before, managers will be selected at specific turns.
c) We can continue discussing that, our goal is to allow a reasonable number of good managers to be able to manage a national team at some point.
d) The players you see now in the national teams were automatically selected. Once a manager joins the team he will be able to change all of them. The logic is ready to be used and is as follows:
- your team will always have 23 players, 3 of them will be goalkeepers
- when replacing a player you will be given a list of the best players available to replace him in a way that allows you to compare their skills
- you won’t be able to pick ANY player in the game, only the best for each position…don’t worry, the list will be long enough
- if a player in the national squad retires he is automatically replaced
e) In the beginning all teams will join the WC, we have a small number of countries for any kind of qualifying. For the same reason all competitions will happen every season.
Hi guys!
my two cents …
a) Being manager of a national team is great, but it’s not a full time job (at least in here). Therefore I would like to avoid seeing my club beeing CPUed in the meantime!
b) Everybody should have a fair chance to get nat coach. But manager with great credentials should be prefered (as in real life). It should be an extra becoming a nat coach, and not as easy as the driver seat for a club.
c) Nat teams that fulfill their competition goals (e.g. “qualify for WC” or “reach finals”) should not automatically fire their coach. They should keep him, if he agrees. For a max of 6 seasons (2 full cycles). Nat teams goals that fail their objectives hard, fire the coach instantly.
d) a nat manager should be able to select/assign at least 4 player (1 for each position), individually to the nat squad. That ensures that “special” needs & tactics of a manager can be supported.
e) Will EC and Copa be the qualification for WC? Or will all teams participate on WC anyway? My recommendation would be EC/Copa (year 1) as qualification for the WC (year 2). Afterwards one season break (year 3) for discussing the managers replacement or the like. Before starting with EC/Copa again (year 4).
Wow! No idea as well…
Anyway, reading the last paragraph is enough :-)
So I think we agree it is not fair to lose your club to manage a national team, specially that being a temporary (1 or 2 seasons) thing. And we DO want the best managers in the national teams. I think we’ll stick with the cpu management thing and improve that as we go…but we won’t allow a manager to be fired from his clube while in the national team.
Can’t wait to add more countries as well!
OK.. back to your points:
1) CPU managing club team: if unavoidable, OK. But no manager loses his club team while on National Team duty. ever. (and would be nice if CPU managed the team well! )
2) competition frequency: yes… all National Team Cups contested within each season works well. for now. (but I would hope we outgrow it…)
3) Dave’s suggestions about managers leaving and being rehired… OK, we are in agreement! LOL
4) Managers fired at predetermined times… again, we agree. :)Bring on the National teams!!!! :)
OK.. back to your points:
1) CPU managing club team: if unavoidable, OK. But no manager loses his club team while on National Team duty. ever. (and would be nice if CPU managed the team well! )
2) competition frequency: yes… all National Team Cups contested within each season works well. for now. (but I would hope we outgrow it…)
3) Dave’s suggestions about managers leaving and being rehired… OK, we are in agreement! LOL
4) Managers fired at predetermined times… again, we agree. :)Bring on the National teams!!!! :)(when can I manage USA vs Mexico???!!!!) LOL
I like the World Cup (and Continental Cups) to occur every season. That does take some sting out of the CPU matter.
Yes, there are many fewer national teams right now… I see your point. No need to spread competitions over more than one season.
I believe NO National Team manager should EVER lose his club team without his permission…. while he/she is managing the National Team.
I am OK with the World Cup Winner remaining as National Team Manager for the next season. I do not think they should be able to stay more than 2 seasons… no matter how great they are… if you win with Brazil twice… great… now take a year off and move on!
I’m afraid you will not get the top managers wanting to manage national teams if their club teams might be damaged while they are “away”. And I wouldn’t blame them.
I am a moderately successful manager, and for me, I still might hesitate to let my club go “CPU” while I manage the national team.
I would never expect top managers that have awesome teams for a long time (Philipp, Francois, Amac, Julio Cezar)… to just “let go” of those teams in any way. AND… THOSE are the managers I would most want to run the national teams! You see what I mean?
Yeah..the silence made me think everybody agreed, which would be weird :-D
CPU managing the club when you leave for a national team: it will work as a holiday mode, they won’t buy/sell/loan players, contracts will be renewed and youths hired (if possible), the only difference from holiday mode is that cpu will make their own line-ups. In the beginning, we are not sure how fun it will be to manage a national team but we want to encourage people to try so we they can make suggestions and we can improve the concept. It is not possible to allow a manager to manage both his club and a national team without huge design changes, that’s why we are not considering this idea for now. The other option would be resigning from your club automatically when you’re accepted in a national team.
Competitions frequency: continental cups and the world cup will happen every season, without qualifying, while we don’t have enough teams for that. National team matches will happen every 6 turns, starting on turn 5. The schedule will be fixed on season start, friendlies first, then the continental competition (ending on turn 71), then friendlies again and finally the world cup (ending on turn 143).
Dave’s suggestions: I like the idea of not allowing a manager to join a national team right after leaving one, and also the idea of not allowing the return to the same national team before other managers were there.
Managers fired: besides inactivity and resignation, I like the idea of having managers fired at pre-determined moments. What about this, in the continental cups all managers that are disqualified by “weaker” teams are fired and in the world cup, all managers that are disqualified are fired (no matter against which team they were disqualified), meaning only the world cup winner would be able to continue in the national squad for the following season.
Cheers!
I think at least half the national team managers should be replaced in between World cups.
So, if you don’t make the semi-finals in European Cup/ Copa America… you’re out.
If wanna be real tough in between… need to make the finals.
I agree with not evaluating national team manager every turn.
I think it should be done every two seasons… at the end of the World Cup (when all managers are released), and the European Cup/Copa America. That gives the manager a time frame, and a goal to achieve. Managers are “fired” after every World Cup. Managers should stay if doing well after European Cup/Copa America… if not doing well, they are replaced prior to the World Cup qualifications.
In between cups… I think national team managers should be fired only for inactivity. (or they may resign)
I do agree that the national team managers should be spread around.
Will World Cup be every 4 seasons???
I would like to see all managers changed after every world cup.
Every manager must take at least one year “off” from ANY national team after being replaced/fired.
I would like to see 4 managers replaced at a national team, before a manager can be “reinstated” as manager there. So, if I manage Chile… I cannot return to manage Chile until 4 other managers have been there.
I might like to have an assistant manager of my choosing to assist me if possible. For help with tactics or player selection.
I have not fully considered these things (as I never really thought about being national team manager)… so… let me think about it some more.
wow… two days and no one has anything to say???
Why should my club team go to CPU if I am managing the national team???
I disagree with this entirely!
Desculpe estar postando em português. Acredito que tentar postar em inglês iria prejudicar as sugestões.
Quanto a trapaças e novos players.
- Limitar a transferência entre usuários por temporada. Talvez duas transferências no máximo.
- Limitar a quantidade de dinheiro que o técnico pode usar do time de acordo com sua experiência. Ex.: O cara acabou de entrar, poderia mexer uma certa porcentagem mínima do caixa do time, um cara com 5 temporadas teria as funções plenas do caixa do time. Quando ocorrer a troca de time, poderia reduzir esse acesso total as finanças paraa três temporadas.
- Limitar o valor da oferta de acordo com o ranking do time. Um time que esteja em um ranking alto, não precisa investir 50 milhões em um único jogador. É muito melhor ele distribuir esse valor contratando 3 jogadores que acabaria deixando seu time mais forte e equilibrado.
- Limitar o valor de uma oferta. Ex.: Eu sou novato no jogo, um dirigente antigo põe um jogador acima de 30 anos em um valor 50% a mais que o seu valor de face, a diretoria iria impedir que eu ofertasse nesse jogador por achar o preço fora do mercado. Jogadores acima de 35 anos poderiam ter um limite de 50% do valor de face, não sei como ficaria a jogabilidade nesse sentido.
Sugestões de implementações.
- Inverter a questão dos juvenis de futuro. Países menos populares no universo do rubysoccer, poderia ser considerados países do “3º mundo” do futebol, logo, teriam melhores juvenis, porém receitas menores. Ex.: Hoje no futebol mundial, Brasil e Argentina são celeiros de craques, porém em questão de finanças, estão longe dos times Europeus. Como ficaria? Quanto maior o ranking do país no Rubysoccer, melhor as cotas de patrocínio, valor dos ingressos, e tudo que envolve receita, e quanto menor o ranking, menor as cotas de patrocínio, valor de ingressos e tudo que envolve receita, porém, juvenis mais habilidosos e com maior potencial. Um time Russo teria chances maiores de ter entre seus juvenis 1 super craque, 2 craques, 2 bons e 1 mediano. No Brasil teríamos 1 craque, 2 bons, 2 medianos e 1 ruim. Porém, haveria uma pequena possibilidade de vir um super craque em times brasileiros.
E o fato de ter mais times ativos no Brasil, possibilitaria a chance da seleção Nacional Brasileira ter grandes jogadores, e acabaria equilibrando nesse sentido.
Bem, por enquanto são essas, fica aberta a discussão, críticas e novas sugestões.
Não tenho a experiência de muitos aqui, porém da experiência de outros jogos de manager, acho que algo poderia ser útil.
Tenho mais idéias, porém, vou coloca-las primeiro no papel, para depois apresentar.
Novamente, desculpe pela postagem em português.
Abraços.
Félix
You can now ‘officially’ invite your friends to play RubySoccer! This is accessible from 2 different places
- Just after you login, at the dimensions list page
- When you are in a dimension, in the “Community” upper menu
This will not only help us to make our community bigger, but will also be considered later in a (surprise) nice new functionality, that should arrive soon. Enjoy!
Ok, here we go. Our idea is that managing a national team is good stuff, but may not be as much fun right now as managing a club. We are designing things in a way that makes managers want to try to get a national team, but we also want to make it harder for someone to stay there for a long time. That’s what we have planned so far:
- any manager will be able to apply for a national team as they would do for a club
- applications will be evaluated periodically, not every turn, so that more managers can apply to the national teams
- manager ranking will be used when evaluating applications, but those from managers managing a club in the same country as the national team will have a bonus
- when accepted in a national team the club you managed will be put on hold for 1 season, meaning nobody will be able to apply for a job there during this period but the club will be managed by the cpu
- at any moment you can let go of your old club to dedicate exclusively to the national team or the other way around; if you don’t do anything after 1 season your club will become available for anybody to apply
- if you return to your club your performance there will be reset to 50%
- manager performance will change more abruptly (for good or bad) when you manage a national team and even friendlies will be considered
- manager performance will drop more abruptly if you have a negative result managing a national team and hasn’t let go of your old club
- you will be fired from the national team if your performance reaches 0%, no matter what
I guess that’s it. What do you guys think?
Cheers!