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I like the impact of the changes on star developments. With less stars around, i believe, there will be more emphasis put on tactics and all around skills, that just game solving individuals.
It’s change, which is always good, makes the game more interesting. :)
id like to manage England…
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My suggestion is to select managers each season randomly. Say for 15 national teams select randomly top 15 ranked guys from a pool of managers that applied for the national team jobs.
Nothing has changed recently, the latest changes are having an impact on FastTicker just now, when old star players are retiring and there are not enough young stars to replace them. But you shouldn’t see worse youth players, nothing has changed for the skills of a player who has just joined the academy.
Cheers.
1) D (just 3)
2) D (just 3)
3) E
I still think that a manager can get two seasons, then it is mandatory to wait a season to take over national team
cheers,
Julio
Hi Gabriel,
Is the model for youth player development still the same now? I mean, nothing has changed in the rules for how a player develops? Also, I feel that there are less good youth players now coming into the game; is that correct? Have you adjusted values for new youth players starting in academy at any time recently?
Thanks,
Tim
1) Fire all who perform weaker than their expectations (but at least 1 or 2 should be fired – it makes more competitive and new managers will try to apply to WC – it will be funnier)
2) Just remains 2 (or 3 = optional ) managers: 1st, 2nd(optional) and “best surprise” – someone who have exceed a lot his expectation.
3) If a manager pick players from his own team player he should decide: lose stamina and receive experience points or no stamina and no xp. In the first case the “home player” should be blocked by director board if he is too weak comparing with others.
Looks like we’re getting somewhere…I agree with you Filipe, all these ideas are considering the current 1 year cycle of competitions, when we change to the 4 years cycle these rules are likely to change.
Don’t worry about CPU managed teams, we’re in good shape in terms of design changes to allow a manager to manage a club and a national team at the same time ;-)
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Age: 30
Position: M
Side: LC
Tackle: 86
Passing: 86
Shooting: 77
Speed: 97
Dribble: 98
Control: 99
Header: 88
My opinion (based on Gabriel’s last post):
1) Totally agree
2) I agree with the first part. About the 2 seasons limit it sure will have to be when we have the 4 year cicle competition, till then maybe we could let the winner stays…
3) As the last one I think there should be experience points when we have a 4 year cicle competitions, also the stamina should drop… It would be more realistic and it would be the cost for those extra experience points, you could have other mechanisms to prevent managers from selecting their own players for the national team, such as higher expectation levels, more easily firing managers with horrible performances (probably because they selected their players and not the better ones).
About the CPU managed teams I would prefer to have them and have the nat teams ready for human management quickly than waiting for the improvments you will have to do to be possible one manager to have both league and nat team. Maybe we could have the CPU option (or leaving the team) while there is no 4 year cicle competitions and the managing the 2 teams when there is such a cicle, that way you would have time to prepare the changes needed for that while more countries are added to the game…
Our option so far (please comment on top of these, if you disagree):
1) Fire all who perform weaker than their expectations (which will end up translating as fire all who lose to a weaker team, given the nature of the competition draw) – assume expectations based on country ranking to begin with. As both continental competition and world cup happen in the same season we want to give all managers the chance of staying in the national team for the world cup.
2) Fire all who don’t exceed expectations (no win the title expectation) – Dhimitri’s suggestion. This will make it harder to stay in the national team, only the champion is guaranteed. We may or may not have the 2 seasons limit.
3) No experience for players in national team matches; managers will be able to choose the players from lists of best players for each position (starting with 30 GKs, 70 defenders, 80 midfielders and 50 attackers). It is simple to change these values in the future. Choosing from all available players sounds better, but will take longer to design, whereas the lists design is ready to go.
Thanks for all the replies so far.
This is something managers have been asking for a while. The reason we haven’t done it yet is because it is more complicated than it sounds. But that’s not an excuse, I know it is not fair (this season I have 3 teams from Uruguay in my Libertadores group) and we’ll change that.
Could be possible to improve europe (champions and league) draws, and try to reduce the chances of teams from the same country end up in the same group. Look at the example of this season champions league group 2. It has 3 team from Portugal. Needless to say that this is bad for countries ranking.
Like in real life, UEFA manages the draw so that in the group phase, team from the same country can’t be drawn togheter. It would be great if this idea could be implemented in RS.
Regards,
Jorge Correia
Portugal, Académica
1) f – fire all who perform weaker than their expectations (QF, Semis, Final etc) – expectation/ranking bases on country ranking (?) – never fire a manager when his wins the trophy
2) f – fire all who perform weaker than their expectations (QF, Semis, Final etc) – expectation/ranking bases on country ranking (?) – never fire a manager when his wins the trophy
3) d – don’t pre-select the players. Let the coach do all the gold digging for his. And give him the chance to nominate “strange” players, like in real life
1 & 2
The answer to this in my opinion would be: Only the managers who exceed expectations should be renewed their contracts. If expectations is semifinals, then the manager can stay if he makes it to the final. If the manager should reach the final, then he has to win.
NO “Win the title” objective should be set, otherwise the winner will be sacked based on the logic above.
I think the approach above should manage to have no more than 3 managers being confirmed per year.
A manager should not be confirmed a second time
3….A
CPU should choose the players. To increase managers choices in choosing the line-up, the number of players should perhaps be increased from 23 to 33 (an extra 1-3-3-3 per position)
As someone pointed out, almost all players going to national team will be fully grown, hence, experience points won’t matter.
And of course, no point having the CPU manage your team while you coach a national side.
Country managers should have priority over foreign managers.
1…… D (just 3).
2…… D (3).
3…… C
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1) e
but can’t you work here with board expectations. If you don’t get the board expectations you get fired.
2) /
What with for example the manager of Holland. It’s not the strongest national team so they can’t win the world cup in normal circonstances. Although a good manager can get them in the semi finals for instance while there goal is groupphase. That manager should have a chance to stay.
3) c
I would say every manager should have a chance to stay for 2 seasons, but board expectations must be much harder then with clubs. Percentages for getting the match result be board expects must be bigger. Like -10% when you don’t get the result the board wants. When you don’t have 50% after the world cup you get fired, when you have you get an option for a second year with that national team.
In the first year you can control your club yourself, when you choose a second season with the national team your club will be managed by CPU.
After managing a national team a manager can apply immediately for another national team BUT if there are other managers applying for job with that national team they have priority. So everyone can manage a national team once.
The idea of new countries is just to attract more people and make competitions more interesting…but that’s debatable, of course…and I’m losing focus here :-D
E C C sounds reasonable.
This does not: “New countries: yes, totally agree, the more the better.”
Why would this be so? I think it’s better to concentrate on getting new managers then new countries. Without new managers, new countries will probably be almost empty.
I would like to ask you guys to focus our discussion in 3 things now:
1) Which managers should be fired after continental cup?
a) None.
b) All.
c) All except the winner.
d) All except the ones with best performance. (how many, 2, 3, 4?)
e) Fire only those disqualified by a weaker team.
2) Which managers should be fired after world cup?
a) None.
b) All.
c) All except the winner.
d) All except the ones with best performance. (how many, 2, 3, 4?)
e) Fire only those disqualified by a weaker team.
3) Players selection.
a) Let CPU choose the players
b) Let managers choose the players among the best available.
c) Let managers choose the players among the best available but don’t give players experience for playing national team matches so that managers don’t feel tempted to pick his club’s players.
My choices and explanation:
1-e: since all competitions will happen every season, continental cups are like a preparation for the world cup, so you should be fired only if you performed below expectations;
2-c: we want more managers to be able to experience national teams, but the WC winner should have the chance to player one more season;
3-c: I don’t wanna ruin the player’s evolution system or ruin the player selection flexibility by having biased managers picking their own players for the national team, so I think this is the best solution.
By the way, when I said players would get valuable points in the national squad I didn’t mean they would receive extra potential, as suggested by Julio Cezar, only more experience points than in a club’s match…just to clarify ;-)
New countries: yes, totally agree, the more the better…the problem is it takes a while to gather all the information for a new country, even with some help…and for new continents, it will be even harder, which doesn’t mean we will stick forever with Europe and South America, the idea was always to have all continents.
CPU managing your club: I’ve got the message and I have to say I understand and agree…you should be able to manage your club and the national squad at once…I’ll do my best to make this change as smooth as possible.
Rules for firing managers from national team: most managers will be fired at the end of 1 season, no manager will be able to stay at the same national team for more than 2 seasons and you’ll have to wait 1 season before managing a national team again. Now we need to decide which managers will not be fired.
Players selection: while discussing the design me and Danilo considered this problem (managers selecting players from their own clubs)…you won’t be able to select ANY players, only the best, but even in this case I believe the national team manager’s club will have lots of top players, since it is a top manager, so that’s not enough. I would like to give managers flexibility, but I’m ok with removing that as well.
I’ll write a new post with things we should focus on discussing now :-)
Translation for Julio Cezar’s post:
I liked very much the idea of national teams…I’ll give my opinion in order to try to help you doing it the best way you can.
1- I don’t agree in leaving the club to manage the national team, I wouldn’t leave Nancy for anything. I also don’t think it’s good to let CPU manage your team, this way the best clubs will be controlled by CPUs, another reason I wouldn’t leave Nancy one season with the CPU. Who knows I could do that to see how it works, but only once. I agree with the idea of letting a manager managing his club and the national team at the same time.
2- regarding how long the manager will be in the national teams:
I agree that the first 3 or 4 teams in a competition have the right of staying for 1 more season in the national team, in other words, the manager would stay for 1 or 2 season in the national team, after that he is fired and will be able to manage another national team after 1 season only. I say that because I ‘m considering that best ranked managers will have priority in managing national teams. I think you could also take the Hall of Fame in consideration along with the ranking. If you don’t do this way (forcing a 1 season period without managing a national team before being able to do that again) two managers could be fired from their national teams and apply for each other national teams, so the same managers would always be in charge of the national teams (supposing they’re still at the top of the manager ranking) while if you don’t allow them to manage another national team right away there will be more opportunity for other managers.
3 – picking players for the national teams:
Gabriel, you said the players will earn valuable points in the national squad, I don’t know exactly how that is going to work, specially because the players that will have the chance of playing for the national squad will probably be the oldest ones, the ones that don’t improve anymore. So I believe they will earn points to improve beyond their maximum, like an extended maximum for these players. I like the idea if that’s what you’re planning, this helps improving the old players market. If that’s the idea, or even if the idea is to improve players in the current system it will make managers pick their club players so that they improve faster or beyond their maximum. I think it is ok if CPU continues picking the players because it will always choose the best, similarly to what the manager would do, changing one or two players, if the manager is fair without choosing his club’s players, what I think will happen for sure.
(I tried Babelfish… ehhh… not exactly clear.)
I think everyone agrees that managers should be allowed to manage club and country… the only issue is that if this causes issues with huge design changes in the game.
I am DYING to know what Julio Cezar said!!! Someone translate it for me!!!
In principle, I think everyone leagues with human managed teams are more interesting than leagues with mainly cpu managed teams. So I think it would be better if people are allowed to manage both a club and a national team. It happens in real life too (Advocaat, Hiddink), I don’t think there are big objections and it’s better for the game.
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Age: 32
Position: G
Keeping: 92 <<<
Speed: 92 <<<
Dribbling: 85 <<
Heading: 80 <
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Francesco Bregaglio
Age: 25
Position: D
Side: RC
Tackle: 85
Passing: 75
Shooting: 98
Speed: 84 <
Dribbling: 89 <<
Control: 89 <<
Heading: 99 <<<
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Sidney Garcia
Age: 24
Position: M
Side: LC
Tackle: 75
Passing: 86
Shooting: 80
Speed: 87 <<
Dribbling: 90 <<<
Control: 86 <<
Heading: 87 <<
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Things have changed.
After six games my results were 2 ties, 4 losses, 4-10.
After twenty-six games 15 wins, 7 ties, 4 losses, 80-21…
Not sure what made the change, but I have good hope to go back to the Eredivisie.
yeah the managers like us need to form together and stick with it… screw felipe and the like
gabreil will figure him out… if not now… he will… pure confidence in the admins of this game.
gostei muito da idéia das seleções… vou dar umas opiniões para tentar ajudar que seja feita da melhor maneira possível esta parte das seleções.
1- eu ñ concordo em deixar o time para assumir uma seleção, eu ñ deixaria o Nancy por nada, vc deixar uma CPU comandar seu time tbém ñ acho legal, senão os melhores times vão estar sendo controlados por CPUs, tbém outro motivo que ñ me faria deixar o Nancy por uma temporada com a CPU, quem sabe eu até poderia fazer isto por experiência, mas eu faria isto uma vez só, eu concordo com a idéia de deixar o técnico com liberdade para comandar seu time e a seleção ao mesmo tempo.
2- quanto ao tempo que os técnicos vão permanecer no comando das seleções nacionais:
eu concordo com a ideia de que os 3 ou 4 primeiros colocados na competição disputada tenha o direito de ficar por mais 1 temporada no comando da seleção, ou seja, o técnico vai ficar 1 ou no maximo 2 temporadas no comando da seleção, após isto ele é demitido da seleção e só vai poder pegar uma outra seleção após uma temporada, pq digo isto, estou levando em conta que quem vai ter preferência em pegar as seleções vão ser os técnicos mais bem posicionados no ranking de técnicos, acho q poderia levar tbém em consideração o Hall da Fama junto com o ranking… sendo assim imagina que um técnico ficou uma temporada em uma seleção nacional e ñ ficou entre os 4 primeiros, logo foi mandado embora, ele saindo da seleção ele logo em seguida vai pegar uma outra, e o da outra pega a que vc estava comandando, logo fica um rodizio dos mesmos técnicos nas seleções, vc não permitindo que ele possa pegar uma logo na seqüência abre portas para outros managers pegarem tbém.
3- quanto a escalação das seleções:
assim, vc Gabriel disse que os jogadores vão ganhar pontos valiosos na seleção, não sei bem como vai ser feito estes pontos, tipo, sendo que os jogadores muito provavelmente irão ter chance de ir pra seleção são os jogadores que ja são mais velhos, ou seja, ja ñ evoluem mais, sendo assim acredito q eles irão ganhar pontos valiosos e podem chegar a evoluir um pouco mais alem do seu maximo, como se fosse um “maximo” a mais para um jogador q foi convocado, eu em particular gostei muito da idéia se for esta mesmo, isto até ajuda a melhorar o mercado de jogadores mais velhos.
Dai se for esta idéia ou mesmo q os pontos valiosos sejam para jogadores que ainda tem a evoluir isto vai acabar fazendo o atual técnico da seleção dar preferência em pegar os jogadores do seu time, para que eles evoluam mais rápido ou que evoluam o “maximo a mais” que a seleção iria dar para ele.
por isso acho q para que ñ haja problemas, prefiro que a CPU continue convocando os jogadores, pois se for ver, a CPU vai convocar os melhores sempre, a convocação seria muito parecida com a do técnico, provavelmente mudaria um ou outro jogador, isto se o técnico for justo na convocação e ñ de preferência para os jogadores do seu próprio time, q eu acho q vai acontecer com certeza.
I will soon translate to English my opinion.