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I know players could decrease skills after 31 yo but I find it strange to see a striker (Aitor Savaldor) decrease since he only reached his potential on 30 yo.
Wouldn’t it be more realistic these players only loose skills after 34 yo for instance but maybe faster then normal.
I’ve been away from the forums in the last few days, too busy with real life! I hear your concerns about coach and scout reports, I have a task to address this and make them more consistent and a bit more reliable. I have no idea why they behave any different in MediumTicker than in FastTicker, that shouldn’t be the case at all.
With regards to player evolution model and the fact that national squads have only old players I agree this is not realistic. I’ll try to bring forwards the ideas I had with the youth academy to add more variety to player profiles, including allowing younger superstars.
Yep. My new recruit, potential superstar had his first coaches rating at 91-95.
I played him in 10 English Premier League games. New coaches rating is 81 – 86.
This is where i start swearing.
I do not have any scouts, because I do not rely on the randomness involved in these kind of stuff. You are combining the randomness of scout reports with the randomness in the coach reports.
==> no correlation
==> forget all this stuff
==> we need a new model
I have reviewed several national team squads: Looks like football master to me. 70% of the players are 30+ … We are copying real football?
DrG
Again, that has been happening to me most of the time in Medium. In Fast, however, the scouts/coaches seem much more trustworthy. As Leigh only plays in Medium, I do believe him!
If that happens to you all the time, then you’re either extremely unlucky, or doing something wrong.
I am trying to solve a problem. I wish to build up a team with veterans and youth.
The method we have to determine what are good youth players are scouting, and then once they are in our team, coaching.
Scouting identifies players. We buy them. Coaching identifies that they are useless.
Alternatively, my youth squad get a great coach report. Then I promote them into my main team, the next coach report identifies that they are useless.
Not much point.
My experience with scouts/coaches has been very different in Medium and in Fast tickers. In Fast they work great, in Medium they are completely unreliable. Not sure why that is happening…
Blza.
I’ll reply in Portuguese and English. First, Portuguese:
O problema é que a diretoria te impede de gastar dinheiro de forma a colocar em risco as finanças do time. Para poder gastar dinheiro com jogadores ou investimentos você tem que esta no mínimo em situação regular com as finanças, o que significa ter em caixa no mínimo 12 vezes o seu gasto com salários e investimentos. Por exemplo, se você gasta 800 mil com salários e 200 mil com investimentos você tem que ter mais de 12 milhões em caixa (12 vezes 1 milhão) pra poder começar a usar o dinheiro, e só pode usar o que tiver em excesso, ou seja se tiver 14 milhões no exemplo que dei só poderá gastar 2 milhões com jogadores ou novos investimentos.
English version: the question is about not being able to make an offer to a player and the explanation is that the club’s financial situations needs to be regular or better for the board to allow you to spend more money with players or investments, which means 12 times your fixed expenses or more in your money balance. For example, if you spend 800k with wages and 200k with investments you need to have more than 12M to start spending, and you can only spend the excess, so if you have 14M in the previous example you can only spend 2M on players and new investments.
Cheers
You’re right and I don’t think we have any in the current model. I think I should add a few more profiles to cater for such superstar players. Maybe influenced by a new youth academy investment area?
Are there young players, let’s say with an age of 19 or 20, that are already in national squads? That happens in reality …
Olá.
Quando tento comprar um jogador recebo sempre o erro “your offer is too high” mesmo que coloque 1$ no valor…
Tenho:
Balance on Period Start
$13,161,277
Current Balance
$12,499,774
Qual é o problema?
Obrigado
I agree with you guys on this, I already have a task on my list to improve coach reporting accuracy even when the players are younger so that such huge differences between two reports happen less frequently. In terms of player evolution I think I should point out that the maximum skill values a player will achieve is not set in stone at any point in the player career up to the point he actually achieves such values, so no matter what I do it will be impossible to guarantee 100% coach report accuracy, and that’s a good thing of course. The report estimate is based on how many times a player will improve (a number that is pre-determined and possible to evaluate at ANY point in the player career), using that to determine an average number of points he is likely to improve in the main skill, and finally adding an inaccuracy factor, which is exactly what I need to reduce.
I hope I’m making sense…lol.
Thanks for the feedback!
I agree with you. Nobody will wait for a youth player with full skills close to retirement. The young player stuff needs a work-around.
Hi,
I wish to revisit this discussion. Scouting and Coach reports are not worth a thing.
I had a youth player, Wes Burt, Coach Reports consistently told me he was a 90 skill player. I played him in English Premier League matches, plus a FA Cup match. I have Coaches rated at 10.
My last Coach Report said he was now a potential 83 main skill player. WTH man. I sold him. The NPC team that bought him, was from Russia. There are no 90 skill players going to play in Russia, ranked 16th in the dimension. There were no English NPC teams bidding for him, he is obviously rubbish, which matches up with this new coaches report.
What a waste of time trying to develop him. He was in 8 high level games this season, I played him in 18 last season. What was the damn point?
If I cant get a decent indicator about players potential from Scout Reports, and my Coach Reports are useless, why bother having these ‘features’ in the game? Take them out, they are just misleading and a waste of time.
Obviously developing youth players is 0% possible now. All of the youth I had identified in Coach Reports turned out to be rubbish. This Wes Burt was my best ever hope to develop anyone from my youth squat, he turned out to be rubbish. There is no point to this.
Regards,
Psychology Investment Area
Would you like to have an investment area for Psychology? It would influence your player’s pressure handling and probability of receiving cards in a match. Do not worry about cost yet, just consider if you would like it or not.
55% Yes
12% Yes but I would prefer it to have a different role
33% No
Let’s get the work started!
New rules for managing and applying for a national team:
1) If a national team has been free for more than 36 turns you can immediately join as a manager, no need to wait for the tick
2) If a national team has been free for less than 36 turns you can apply as usual and your application is processed in the next tick, we don’t have a minimum waiting period anymore (used to be 12 turns)
3) You can apply for a national team even if it has a manager
4) You can apply for a national team even if you are currently managing one
5) A manager is only fired from a national team if he performs below expectation in the continental competition or not above expectation in the World Cup AND another manager is applying for the job; if nobody is applying the manager is not fired
Please let us know immediately if you see anything weird in the job application process for clubs or national teams ;-)
That’s actually an interesting idea to be explored in the future :-D
You should take a satellite team who loan and develop the player for 10years . They pay his wage and when he’s ready you call him back. ;-)
I can see a few options here:
1) Do not allow profiles where the player improves more as he gets older when his max potential will only be achieved in his 30s. This way you would have just a few improvements left and have a decent player earlier on in this scenario.
2) Wait for the Youth Development investment area that we have planned (but not confirmed yet) and see how we can use that to address this issue
3) Add the ability to use your coaching department to try and accelerate player development by changing his evolution profile
For now you can decide it is not worth keeping such players because of the risk, it is understandable. I have one player that was like that and I had to be very patient to get him to where he is today…still think it was worth it. Have a look at Ronaldo Angelim in Flamengo, FastTicker :-)
Hahaha, me too!
I’d like to add in the fact some players don’t become good until they are 30, I have some players who are destined to be very good but are not improving at all and are now 25! I can deal with the player not getting to his max potential before 30 but it’s costing me money to keep him for 10 years hoping he is going to be very good for 5 years!
If this makes sense lol
Shouldn’t be too hard, I’ll add to our tasks :-)
I agree with you, they are varying too much, especially in the early stages of player development. I should also probably point out scout reports were too optimistic sometimes because they were not taking into account how much the player had already improved in the current season, that’s been fixed 1 or 2 weeks ago. In any case, I’ll add a task to our list to make the coach reports less crazy.
Is it possible in the statistics screen also show the players who played 0 games? Might not make sense, but I find it interesting to know which of my players didn’t play any games.
I have a young goalkeeper Roberto Leiro.
When I bought him he was scouted as a 94+ potential goalkeeper. After 1 season his potential only was 87 according to the coach report. Previous season I did an coach report again and his potential was 97 – 99. THis season he’s potential had decreased again to 85 – 90.
I know the coach report is more accurate when the player becomes older and reaches his full potential but how is it possible you have such a big differences?
I would understand he is scouted as 94 but the scout was too enthusiastic so he only will reach 87. These differences with Leiro look strange too me.
All match report links should be fixed now, please let me know if you still have issues from any pages.
I had something like that happen last year. I have a bunch of new contracts and fixed it. My wages are much higher now, and with the new expense model etc I’ve lost a list of cash late last year through now (20m or so balance drop with few acquisitions). I was building a reserve fairly quickly before, so it only seemed fair I had to pay guys to keep them happy.
We’ll see if the new income model balances this out next year. If not, I’ve overspent and will have to sell a bunch of guys to balance things out.
Personally, I like a more complex system with more variability in development and player attitudes – it adds to realism.
In fast tick if I goto the league table, matches and then hit any report on the right it says 404 not found :)