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I just checked this seasons champions league group stage matches and got quite bemused to see two french teams in the same group… i think it is good to have separate teams from different leagues in one group during the group stage.
I feel playing in the champions league is about playing against the teams from different leagues. And i don’t think it is justifiable to play against the same team that you have been playing season-in and season-out everytime in your national league.
It should be a different story in the knockout stages though. you should be ready to play anyone at that time…
Since there are 4 groups i don’t know why we couldn’t have 4 teams in different groups. i don’t think teams require protection at this highest level… just my opinion though.
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Similarly, i saw that two spanish teams were in the same group last season despite having only 3 spanish teams at that stage… and similarly italians and spanish teams suffered the same fate the season before that.
well, sly no one is accusing french teams… vaughan has himself said he wanted to focus on champions league rather than the league and that he had little chance against monaco. watch his 3rd and 5th comments on the related thread. and i think other teams lower than him benefited rather lose anything with that decision. In fact he didn’t cheat against anyone in the league with that decision, but then since he could not do well in the CL, he did against his on board…
But having said that i have always said there should be some penalty against manager from the concerned club. and i think removing this 10 point penalty limit is the best option for now…
do well u get rewarded, do bad you pay
LOL @ Sly. I agree though, it’s not so much cheating just not in the " sporting code ". In fact, no, there was money involved so it was cheating.
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but i think they should be forgiven for been so brazenly honest about it and giving us all a laugh
I’m ok with the awards and I agree with torte205’s suggestion of a certain amount depending on where they finish. We already have an enhancement planned for that.
I’ll remove the board 10 points penalty limit ;)
PSG didn’t play reserves though. He only played a youth goaly because his own goaly got injured. I don’t like accusations towards teams in my country. Please keep them out of it :)…we are Boo – ing at Santo Andre for bribing team!! :)…BOOOO!!! BAD BOY!!! :p
How about like in real life where teams get a certain amount depending on where they finish? for EXAMPLE 1st = 10m, 2nd 7 , 3rd 6 and so on…
“Now I think Dot should not pay Meninao. muhahahah! :)”
I totally agree with you Danilo! XD
The way I see it, the only way we can efficiently prevent this is to adjust the board – so they become very unhappy if you have a 10 x nil result, for example. But let’s see where the discussion goes.
Remember the Incident with PSG and Monaco this is what I am talking about. this is Unethical remember what happened in Italy a few years ago, this is in the same ball park, I see no difference between buying a Referee and Buying the other team.
in (RS) Brazil’s case there was an amount 7.5M, in France (Monaco 21 X 0 PSG) we do not know if there was an agreement between the 2 coaches (wich I personaly think that it did happen.) if everyone actualy stops and thinks about what happened, line in my previos comment about this related incident in France just think what will happen in the furute.
Now I think Dot should not pay Meninao. muhahahah! :)
topic name clearlly states: “Win the league awards”
pfff this is not Winner Takes It All =)
Sales in Genoa!
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2 topdefenders
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Sascha Heindrich 29 y.o.
Tackle 92
Great secondaries
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Stefano Lodi 28 y.o.
Tackle 95
Great secondaries
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1 Top midfielder
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Eberardo Barragan 27 y.o.
Tackle 92
Passing 92
Great secondaries
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Take a look. Some prices are negotiatable.
I have one on CRB/Brazil. But i want to sell..
Great GK. Take a look: Simone Golinelli http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/player_info/48568
uhm dhimitri, my example was only for the league winner :)
Example (similar to Vaughn’s post above): Strasbourg
At the end of season 23 Strasbourg sold its 2 best players for a total of 90 mill
Since then Strasbourg has bought a total of 14 players in the market spending 87.6 mill. The real value (not the market value) was much smaller)
2 of the players bought have been sold for a total of 17 mill and the rest have a total value of 108.4 mill as listed in the players page. However, the market value of all this players is higher! only 2 players have finished growth, the rest will keep increasing in value
From simple calculations we have:
Purchases = 87.6 mill (market value)
Value = 125.4 mill (real value)
Profit = 37.6 mill
I can gladly conclude strasbourg has made good business by growing its assets and let’s not forget in terms of market values the team’s wealth is much higher than 125.4 mill
Lastly, I have not included another 18 players purchased between the age of 17-20 on free starting 4 seasons ago (when I took the job), whose value is pretty much all profit after substracting the money spend on their wages :).
I understand all the positions here, but I think something can be done to avoid this kind of situations. I read somewhere the performance penalty for losing a match has now a max of 10 points. I think that should not exist and the penalty for results like 9 or 10 goals difference should be penalty even with more points than the usual. This way managers will have to be careful sparing their team…
Regards
Vaughn I don’t think you should charge more for goals allowed than for goals scored. That would financially kill teams at the bottom of the table
Le Havre (ranked 17th) = 7×25k + 37×1k – 98X5 = 306k – 490k= (184000)
Anyway, the sums applied here are symbolical and do not make that much of a difference in a team’s income.
I think a reward system should be complemented, but it should by far not match the basic source of income which comes from sales vs purchases of player (including here growing successful youth)
What most people should understand is that:
1.Success gets rewarded therefore successful teams should have bigger incomes based on rewards
2.As many managers from big teams have explained before, it’s not cash in possession that counts (financially speaking cash in hand is pretty much useless as it does not generate income).
The real wealth of the club is its assets (its players). Ppl should take notice that when Big Team A buys a player worth 150 Mln, it probably managed to do so by selling 2-3 of its players to raise the money, rather that just unloading cash from its back account :)
who haven’t helped a friend? loaning players etc, i won’t say how we did it cause it might be considered “not fair” :)
bigger clubs have more advantage…i don’t think so rly. Like now we don’t have rewards and u see any difference? it’s all about the manager, buy cheap players or from free transfer and hope the grow to become a star and sell expensive. Cutting the costs of your finance. There isn’t much more to do. So smaller teams have a small chance to get big, once again, it all depends on the manager buying players and selling (or keeping the stars :P).
Just check real life, there aren’t many small team who have grown big in a small amount of time. It takes time to develp players. The only advantage bigger clubs have are a little bit more income and better players to sell. But the bigger teams also have to take yought to keep growing, why can’t a small team do that? We all have the same free transfer list, ok some have better country ranking ;) but they can’t keep all the players cause there is a limit.
I’ve sold this season only like 1 players (or maybe end prev season) and bought alot of yought for alot of money, it’s a chance i’m willing to take to make maybe 1 or 2 stars from the 6 players i bought for a total of 75mill! If they all don’t grow i’m in big shit to :)
Maybe a reward compared to there matches won/goals scored/goals against, something like this (taken genoa);
30 wins x $25.000 = $750.000
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110 goals for x $1.000 = $110.000
= $860.000
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31 goals against x $5.000 = $155.000
= total: $705.000 reward
Oh, and I’ve also used my friendly squad in the past in situations like the one Vaughn described in order to give my youths some experience. I didn’t care whether or not the opponent was fighting for the title or a international cup spot. I haven’t done that in a while though. Shame on me! :(
@Philipp: “It’s just “sportsmanship” that should lead everybodys actions, not just what’s written and what’s been monitored.” – very well said ;)
@amacb: I’m glad to know you feel this way
@Meninao: I think everybody understands your reasons but most users didn’t like it. I don’t think this is good for the game but as I said before I don’t feel like punishing anybody because it would be unfair not punishing other managers with the same behavior, which would require a precious amount of time to investigate
When people have friends playing the game it is inevitable they try to help each other somehow. I’ve had friends who lost games on purpose (when there was nothing else they wanted to fight for in the competition) to help me without me asking them to do so. Is this bad for fair play and competition? Yes, of course, and I discourage this behavior, even when this is done with good faith.
Hope you guys understand our situation and have the same spirit as Amac, who is now even more motivated to win the league next season ;)
Cheers!
Punishing is a big word. Think it’s better to make big dissapointment at your board which results in say like drop 50% in happyness or something like that which in the end can result in you getting fired (talked about this in an other post).
On the other hand, if i look at my own spot, i use friendly lineup every time i’m guarenteed of uefa/cl/league when i can’t be catched anymore. Should that be counted to? Say like last match..i couldn’t get #1 and i couldn’t get #3 so i used my friendly team against a rubbisch team on the bottom hoping my yought would grow abit.
I particulary prefer to play S.A. because the field is more compatible to my team. But would be great if I could win the League, so I played hard until the 36th game. On the 37th game I had no more chances to win the League, so as you guys can see, I used almost the whole reserve team (using my youths too), but unfortunately (or not) the match was in my home and against the last team in brazil (Palmeiras), so I won by 1×0.
In the final game I would use the same reserve team to help Dot ( as I helped some other teams before, like I did against CRB (my cousin’s team) before, if you guys can remember), but I would never say it to Dot. But when he offered me the money I decided to use an even worst team, to make sure that nothing wrong could happen.
What I want to make clear for everyone is that I would let he win anyway because he is my friend and I didn’t want to play L.A.
If you think that it need to be punished, I will accept. I didn’t receive the money yet, but I can be punished. But if you decide that, please guarantee to me and everyone that any other suspect result will be punished even if the manager says that he didnt receive the money. Because if I were not honest and say it in the forum, you guys would never now. And I’m pretty sure that it have happened before.
Regards
Guys as i mentioned in my first post fielding a reserve team for me is ok if you have no reason to win. But passing a chance to play in better competition for money i can not agree.
Anyway i have no hard feelings and winning now in Brazil just got better
IMO there is not much against using a reserve team. I use reserve team in national cup and a 2nd best team in league during the CL (but no youths!). But i always try to avoid to give the fight for the best spots a spin. So I line-up an equally strong formation against the top ~7-8 teams, so no one is really hurt.
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If you wanna start rather in UEFA/CS than in CL/Lib, you should start losing points in (earlier) matches which are not so decisive for the final table of the league!
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It’s just “sportsmanship” that should lead everybodys actions, not just what’s written and what’s been monitored.
I was sure that Vitoria would be lining up the reserve team and Gama would be benefited from that.
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So why meninao with Gremio couldn’t? His situation was also for that. Maybe I could have just asked Meninao to use his reserves, but instead I asked him and decided to give some compensation for his kindness and previous transactions…
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As Gabriel said, this kind of deals can’t be monitored and YES they happen in game. But Meninao was honest and told to everyone what happened.
@amacb: winning Copa do Brasil didn’t gives the team a spot in any competition. In real life it gives you a spot in Libertadores and I think in Europe winning the national cup gives you a spot in UEFA, but we didn’t want to implement that in the game to make things simpler instead of adding lots of specific rules.
@Sly: they probably made some over priced deals in the past.
Let’s put things straight, I think that using your reserves in a match is pretty common in this game in situations where you want to rest your best players for a more important match or to help a friend or whatever, but using money to do that is something I’ve never heard before in the game (I’m not saying it never happened).
I agree with those saying it’s not a good thing to do but there is no way to prevent / detect it (at least not a simple way). As soon as I read Amac’s first post I suspected that some kind of arrangement between the managers could have happened, as Meninao is a co-worker of mine and I am aware that he and Dot know each other. But what if I didn’t knew any of the involved managers and they denied it as Sly suggested? How could we prove they did something like that? A manager could simply say he was resting his players for the international match and didn’t want to qualify to Libertadores, but Sudamericana. Should we have punished them in this case as well? Should we punish all managers who use their reserves in an official match?
To be honest, I don’t know what (if something) should be done.
Alright, wrote a lot, now you guys can proceed with your comments ;)