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December 17, 2008 17:34

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I haven’t been active in forums but i’m in this community since soccersim days and i like it. I’d be happy to help if i can.

 

December 17, 2008 15:52

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Anybody?

 

December 17, 2008 11:06

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I’m playing a few online games and i believe the most important thing is ‘random’ factor.

Random factor makes things interesting and more attractive. If you can calculate ‘everything’, it’s not a game, it’s just a math problem. That’s one of the very good points of ruby: We don’t know which young player will be good.

Thorpedo’s suggestion is good, he really got the point. But even this percentages should be different for all players. Some players should be able to reach their max. potential in the age 22 while it takes till 30 for others. Argentinean star Saviola added something to his football after his 20? Not so much i believe. He’s an ‘early boom’er, reached his momentum early. But for Zidane, it took a bit more than others.

I don’t know much about coding and i don’t have any idea how ‘potential’ factor coded but if thorpedo’s suggestion (with flexible random factor) can be added for that data, it’d be great.

Also it’s nice to be able to in touch with administrators! : )

Cheers

 

December 17, 2008 10:47

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For the first suggestion of ekxl you can make a ratio:For instance:
- youths <20 => max development till 40% of their maximum skills
- players <22 => max development till 50% of their maximum skills
- players <24 => max development till 65% of their maximum skills
- players <26 => max development till 80% of their maximum skills
- players <28 => max development till 100% of their maximum skills

Of course you can multiply this ratio with a potential percentage. There need to be some talents that already reach their maximum skills at a young age but not so much as there are now.

 

December 17, 2008 09:19

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Nice post ekxl. Regarding your suggestions:

1 – definitely gonna do this
2 – interesting suggestion, we’ll discuss that; remember that with more countries more crappy youths will appear
3 – official matches will be required to make players reach their maximum

Cheers!

 

December 17, 2008 04:36

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And that is the thing that makes the game quite unrealistic imho.

I really really like ruby soccer and it’s unique for me, i never enjoy an online game that much because the best part of being a manager is youth development for me, however it’s bothering to see that it’s that easy. Teams are full of superstars under 20 players and that doesn’t make any sense. I even saw a player with 100 keeping when he was 18 _

As far as i know, there is a hidden ‘potential’ for every player and as he plays matches, player fulfills his potential. In real football, players usually reach their momentum in later stages like when they are 26 or something. That’s how the life is for most of the players -except superstars like Messi or Rooney. Greatest players we all know played their best of football not when they were 20, remember Zidane, Beckham, Giggs, Henry.. list can be endless. Sure thing they shown a glimpse when they were young but they were not >95 in important skills. It takes time to reach that point.

I believe we should have something similar here: Make it harder to reach high levels of skills in early ages. Players should learn in time, with playing official games, high level games, like cup games, champions league etc. Implementation of experience may effect a lot of things imho.

Also it’s not realistic to see youth players are so similar. Not all youth players are that same. Some youngsters should be crappy, should have 40 tackling if defender for example. That’ll make 60 tackling defender youngster more valuable. See the point? Decrease overall player qualities in general and superstars will be harder to achieve.

In sum, this is my suggestion list regarding player improvement:

1- Make it harder to reach high levels of skills in early ages.
2- Make youth player skills more random, less average.
3- Players should learn in time, until ~28, with official and high rank games.

 

December 16, 2008 16:20

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These changes sound good and the game will be more realistic. Now there are teams with all
< 20 year old 90+ players.

 

December 16, 2008 14:20

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We’ll make no difference between official and friendly matches regarding how much a player improves, at least for now…so from 35 to 90 minutes in any match type is the same.

 

December 16, 2008 11:56

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Wil a player playing 35 min in an official improve the same amount as 90 min in a friendly?

 

December 16, 2008 10:52

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Friendlies and official matches will probably have the same effect on player improvement, the only difference is that after a certain point the player won’t improve playing friendlies anymore. The minimum time required on any match is 35 minutes.

My intention is to start working on these changes soon, probably in the beginning of next week.

Cheers!

 

December 16, 2008 08:49

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Oh and another question. For the future, the playing of officials will improve a player further then letting him play friendlies.

But you can always sub a player to let him play 5-10 min in an officials. I assume this also helps to improve.

My question is, how long does a player need to play ATLEAST to get some decent improvement when subbing in an official match? 5 min is harly enough, but maybe 30 min is just as good as playing 90 min? I think it’s fair that 30 min in an official is just as good and EVEN BETTER then playing a 90 min friendly…..

 

December 16, 2008 08:25

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when will this be implimented?

 

December 15, 2008 22:15

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As I’ve been saying lately there are some important changes planned to the players improvement system. The purpose of these changes are, among others, to balance the game a little, reduce the number of 19 year old fully improved star players and the friendly frenzy done by lots of teams in order to improve their young guys. Let’s go directly to the point.

-coaching department change: instead of making a player improve more skills at once it would make the players improve faster. The average number of skills improved at once would be the same for all teams. A player who plays once every 3 turns, from a team with 0 level coaching would reach his maximum potential at 30 years old, in the average. With coaching 10 this average will drop to 23. Reason: coaching 10 is a huge advantage nowadays, it makes lots of your players become stars and the player market is less interesting;
-youths from second division will start at the same level as first division youths, but will improve slower while their teams are on second division. Reason: balance second division teams and be more realistic…if a country has high quality players it makes no sense most second division players have poor quality;
-friendlies would make the player improve until a certain level, after that only official matches will make him improve. It’s the job of the manager to figure out when friendlies are not useful anymore. Reason: stop the friendly frenzy, make improvements more realistic, make loans become an interesting option when a player is not ready to play in your first squad but still needs to play official matches to improve;
-friendly information will be displayed on player match history. Reason: there is no point in hiding it, friendlies won’t be enough to fully develop a player;

Of course we’ve already received other related suggestions, but this package seems to be complex enough and we expect it to make things become more interesting. It doesn’t mean other suggestions will not be implemented, all of them will be taken in consideration for continuous improvement.

Any comments? ;)

Cheers!

 

December 15, 2008 21:50

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Option 4 it is.

We know more countries will improve the game a lot. As soon as we finish the admin tools and a few other enhancements RubySoccer will be ready to start getting more users and, consequently, increasing the number of countries.

Thanks for your replies. That’s one of the advantages of visiting the forums, you have the chance to give your opinion about changes and new features. Another poll-like post soon, on players improvement.

Cheers!

 

December 15, 2008 15:25

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It probably has to do with the changes regarding face-to-face shots. You must have at least 1 defender on mentalities -1 or 0 WITHOUT advanced tactics telling him to move forward or all forward, otherwise your keeper will be penalized by his dribble skill.

Please let us know if you need more clarifications, we’ll be glad to explain as we don’t have a complete online help yet :)

Cheers!

 

December 15, 2008 14:09

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i guess the only reason is your goalie: bad rating.

 

December 15, 2008 12:01

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Hi,

can you explain me how did i lose this match?http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/221153

I had more possession, more shots, all my players had good rating. How can it be possible?

I can’t continue playing a game that i can’t understand.

Regards,
Jaime

 

December 15, 2008 10:51

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Your suggestions are welcome Sly and similar changes are already being discussed behind the scenes (I’ll post some updates on these soon). About friendlies, our idea is that after a certain level a player won’t improve by playing friendlies, he’ll have to play official matches. This should also increase the number of loans of those players not yet ready to play official matches in your team but that could perfectly fit the first squad of a weaker team. With the changes we have in mind it would be ok to show the number of friendlies played in the player history. I’ll try to summarize our new ideas in another post tonight. :)

Cheers!

 

December 15, 2008 09:46

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Well, there is something you should change for sure. Playing officials imo should go 2x as fast for improvement as playing friendlies! Otherwise what’s the point of lining up youth in officials with a chance to lose the game? They’ll increase just as much when playing friendlies when there is no risk!

In managersim a youth player increased more in officials then in friendlies and also….when they played vs better players they imrpoved more then when they played vs worse players. Maybe that is also something to take into account?

For now what I think is also pretty annoying, is that you can only see officials matches played in a player history. You don’t see friendlies….and because friendlies are just the same as officials this makes it more annoying. When you see a player in free transfer and has no games in his history….you can’t really tell if he will grow or not. He might have played 100+ friendlies already! This is also a reason why officials should matter more then friendlies.

When it came to free transfer in managersim, you could see both officials played and friendlies played. If a player had like 50 friendlies, but no officials…..chances were he could STILL increase and was worth a try to get him off free transfer. In Ruby there is just no way of really telling…..this makes the luck factor count more then the skill factor. Skill being that the manager puts time and effort into finding a player through all those free transfer lists in all those countries, finding that 1 player who has a more then 50-50 chance of being a star or not….

Sorry for the long post :)….I still think it’s a nice game :)…..It could only still use some tweaking here and there :)

 

December 14, 2008 20:26

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There are some changes planned for player improvement and I’ll ask for some suggestions soon. But the way it works now is how Danilo described, your players will have a random pre-defined potential for each skill and will only earn points by playing matches. In the beginning a single match will make your player improve, then a few matches and finally a lot of matches. Doesn’t matter if friendly or official matches (for now). There is no age based unlocking of skills and the only age limit for player improvement is 30. With 31 years old his stats may start decreasing.

Hope this helps :)

Cheers!

 

December 14, 2008 17:56

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Sly, it’s random. Perhaps a guy who stops at low 70s wont reach 90s, but I had some players who jumped from 80 to 90 in like 3-4 ticks. It is difficult to guess, of course, that is why I try not to put guys on the free transfer list before they play like 1/2 of a season without growing

 

December 14, 2008 16:32

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So, if a player is increasing slower…. it has nothing to do with a time limit? Is there a number of games locked into the unlocking of stats?

Also… if a player increases slower….is that a sign it won’t grow much anymore? So if he is still in the low 70 stats…. he won’t make it to 90+? :)

Also…. if increasing stats is only done by playing lots of matches, how is the comparisson with friendlies vs officials?

 

December 14, 2008 15:24

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Sly, the player improves only playing matches. In the beginning the improvements are faster (they happen in less matches) but, after a few matches, your player starts requiring more matches to continue improving.
Also, at age 30 your player may start to “get old”. In other words, decrease some stats. But even at age 30 he still can “learn things” and continue to improve.
There is an improvement limit, and that is only reached by playing games.
Gabriel, please add here if I forgot something (Gabriel changed some of that code recently).
cheers!

 

December 14, 2008 14:44

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Is there a time limit for unlocking player stats? I ask this because I’ve been messing around with youth alot, and saw some strange things.

For example, I;ve already seen 24 year old players of mine increase in stats.

Also, I had youth players playing officials and friendlies to a point they didn’t increase anymore (but are still only 18-19). Then I had them on the bench for like 4-5 games. They didn’t play friendlies or officials. Suddenly when I played them again they increased 5 stats.

Now I wonder is there a timeframe connected to unlocking stats? So more isn’t better? Patience is the right word for it?

For example:
A youth player who is 17 years old has the potential to becoming 90+ on let’s say shooting. Het started with 70 shooting. In 10 games you get him to 75 shooting, but suddenly he stopped increasing after 10 games. Is it possible that when he either hits 18 or something he will increase another X amount of stats and so on and so on, untill eventually he is 20+ years old and finally reaches 90+ shooting?

What I’m wondering is, that if a player has a certain potential it will eventually be reached over time and it doesn’t always help to let a player play games over and over and over untill you totally kill his stamina? Sometimes it just takes time before a new series of player stats is “unlocked”?

Intrested in seeing an answer to this maybe complicated question :)…didn’t know how to formulate it otherwise without making myself totally clear :)

 

December 14, 2008 09:29

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I have 26 players with 10M+ value and 4 more promising guys in squad. The situation is tricky and leaves me without any possibility to buy any more promising youngsters and even promote my own youths.

Please, buy my players or I will lose my youths !

 

December 13, 2008 17:38

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His skills are not affected during the match, except for speed. The low stamina won’t affect his growth, even though I guess it should ;)

Cheers!

 

December 13, 2008 16:24

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so the player doesn’t play worse? It only affects the chance of an injury? So a low stamina on a youth player won’t affect his growth? He can still increase stats while being below 50 stamina for example?

 

December 13, 2008 10:09

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The explanation for that result is simple Dr. Gullit, you were using only one defender on mentalities -1 or 0 and this defender had a move forward individual tactic, making your goalkeeper vulnerable to the opponent shots, so his defensive power was affected by his dribbling skills (defensive power * dribble / 100). The purpose of this enhancement is to be more realistic and punish teams with no real defenders. In order to not receive this punishment you must have at least one defender on -1 or 0 mentalities with no individual tactics telling him to move forward to +1 or midfield.

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

 

December 13, 2008 09:59

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A low stamina player can get injured more easily (even though I think we should raise the odds) and is slower during the matches.

Cheers!

 

December 13, 2008 09:35

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In soccersim/managersim when players had low stamina they could get injured easier.

What does a low stamina effect in ruby? Do they play worse (get -x on some stats?)

Does it effect player growth? If a young player had <50 stamina he won’t increase in stats?

I hope to get some answers from the developers :P

regards,
Sylvain