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Common Berhan, what would this forums be without Davison. His unique point of views add a lot of color to RS virtuality. Show some love, will you <3
I would say it’s best changes in youth growth system are introduced when the game gets reset, together with other changes that are in plan. At the time being, it would be unfair to punish countries like France, as Filipe put it, whose managers have worked hard to get the youths they get for many many years.
I assume that the game will be reset soon enough, perhaps by december, but that;s just me. Anyway, despite the changes I do assume that some sort of ranking will also take place in the “new” world. What I think it;s important though, it’s that when the game gets reset, than all countries should start at the same youth level, and the new ranking kicks in only at the start of season 2, based on performances on season 1. Of course, I am shooting blind here, as I don’t know what exactly will be the new system on player’s growth and player generation. But I do think that, one way or another, all countries should start on the same foot, on day zero!
cheers
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Berhan said: “Now, I bet it is not too difficult to implement this in the game engine, so when a country is especially successful in their international games, it could trigger some creation of potential star players say 5 seasons later.”
This already happens, it just considering club performance, not the national team, and IMO it should stay that way, national team competitions are not that developed yet and it would be unfair to distribute the youth quality having the performance of just one team, it could lead even to abuse, imagine someone taking over a national team and intentionally losing so the country would produce worse youths (and another one, probably where that manager has his team would have better youths)
The way it is right now is fair and consistent, for a country to raise in the ranking (and have better chances of great youths) the teams in this country must perform well and consistently well in the international competitions. France has the most competitive league and season after season their teams made great collective performances in europe, they deserve better youths and it would be unfair if they hadn’t because France national team doesn’t perform as good as they do…
Netherlands :)
That is the Coca Cola ranking :)
Go ask someone in the streets not looking it up, how many would guess it, unless you are a real hardcore football dude.
Netherlands is something special and in my opinion excellent to bring into a game engine.
How it works is, getting lots of promising players there first before taking the next step to big clubs, so the “Netherlands” in RubySoccer could work like that as well, I am sure it’snot too difficult to calculate which country brings in most players and then ship them later on to the next country/clubs.
What it does in reality is that it helps develop the youngsters in the local clubs, also football is very big sport over there, that matters as well.
Good discussion Dimitri :)
Keep it up guys.
Bk
Do also note that the best national team in the world (according to Fifa ranking) is from a small country…
Filipe, I am sure it has something to do with the number of registered players (footballers) and the number of stars/superstars in a specific country. The countries you describe have different setup/culture/background but they all have in common having way more many registered player mass, and having to chose the best 11 from Brazil is not the same as choosing from a country like Sweden.
I also believe the cultural stuff matters as maybe many kids in Brazil maybe dream of become a big footballer star and help his family, friends etc.. while a kid in Sweden not necessarily thinks in the same manner.
Also some countries have so much sports to chose from so the potential talent maybe is wasted in choosing the “wrong” sport. I know it is impossible to calculate it exactly to suit everyone’s wished but I can tell you from experience when in 1994 Sweden reached 3-4 place game, you could see football being on it’s prime in the entire country, everyone could you see kids playing football, in football clubs you could see the increase of interest.
Now, I bet it is not too difficult to implement this in the game engine, so when a country is especially successful in their international games, it could trigger some creation of potential star players say 5 seasons later.
Just some thoughts :)
Bk
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/player_info/188798
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/player_info/185954
25 year old spanish stars 95 passing and 90s across thier attibutes.
@Berhan: I think I was not clear about that, small countries CAN generate a superstar, the limit is the same for all countries, the difference is only how often that happens
I agree with Filipe, we need to do something more though.
How about making some series of “how to play rubysoccer” on youtube etc..
Any publicity is good publicity, making t-shirts with rubysoccer or womething like that, etc..
We need to get back to the old school stuff as in the days of Soccersim, it’s so much nicer and cooler to contribute than complain like an old lady expecting miracles..
BK
first thing you can do, ban yourself for 2 weeks <3
Country level of youths also happens in real life, is not by accident most of the top players come from a small group of countries like Brazil, Argentina, Spain, England or France… It is the result of a long history with the sport and investment in youth improvement.
In the game the way we have to know where is the best investment its the team performance in international competitions, I think the randomness of the game already makes it possible for lower ranked countries to have great players, Argentina have the top players in the game and never reached the 2nd place of the ranking… They probably in average have not as good players as France but that’s how it is suppose to be, if not there would be no point for the country competition we see around here :D
Hey Davison, pay no attention to the game you’ve been playing for a few years now, they have made it for free and in their own time but hey, just details…
Gabriel, good stuff, almost, and I’ll tell you why.
I don’t know if that is what it means but as I read it I get the feeling that a “small” country can never have a superstar player compared to the best players in the best countries?
I know there is no Messi elsewhere but there are many players at the level slightly bellow Messi in many not so great (in the rankings) countries. Just a thought.
I like the idea but get the feeling that you have set a limit to it, maybe I am miss-interpreting things, could be it.
BK
I can’t tell much more than what’s in the announcements topic. A simple way to see it is that player generated in a given country sometimes will have his initial skill values determined as if they’ve been generated in a better ranked country. If a country has a very low rank you’ll see a higher diversity of player’s quality, but of course they will be mostly below average players when compared to better countries.
dont know why cos non of those countries are gonna fill up any time soon ( in my opinion) but its cool and all but well other things are more important eh danilo ;) :P
is this gonna be a secret ? :D
Already in place.
I’ve just made some changes to the youth player generation so that smaller countries have a higher chance of generating better players once in a while. As a result the average quality of players should raise (no changes for top 2 ranked countries). I don’t want to reveal too many details of the change, but you’ll notice it when a good amount of new youths appear or, even better, when new countries are added ;-)
Cheers.
sounds interesting, can’t wait to see what it is. :)
Apperently making new countries is a very high priority.
ill be a moderator :D <3
I see we’ll need forum moderators as ManagerSim had. It is a completely separate task that admins and GMs shouldn’t be worrying about.
^^ ooOoOooO wat is it :D
Too many unanswered questions :-)
First things first:
Q: How does the Champions League and Europe League work now? I see there’s an extra qualification round?
A: There’s no extra qualification round, we just needed room for the round of 16…oh, didn’t I mention European competitions now have 8 groups instead of 4? :-D
Q: Perhaps the #3 in the (CL) group stage could go to the EL?
A: Trying to reflect real life where some CL teams go to EL is interesting, but I have some other plans to make international competitions even more interesting. I won’t tell you what it is just yet, it will take AT LEAST 1 more season to implement
Q: You guys are talking about a reset. Do we know aproximatly when and why?
A: We don’t have any formal plans of a reset yet, I just mentioned it cause depending on how we change the player development system it could be worth resetting the dimensions. The idea is to postpone the reset until we have enough changes to justify it.
I’m really happy that you guys enjoyed the new countries, it took me a lot of time to put everything together. Before anyone complains I should be using my time to improve other areas of the game I must say I only spend time gathering data for new countries when I’m in a place or using a computer where I don’t have access to my development environment, so it’s either new countries data or surfing the internet :-)
I’m doing something more interesting, hopefully to be released later today. I’ll give a few more details when I announce it but the idea is to raise the chance of smaller countries generating good players once in a while. Stay tuned.
k well then what are you doing then ?
what improvements will see soon and when
Hey Davison,
We have better things to do than to keep telling people what they already know here in the forum. Next time we find ourselves forced to waste our time with this kind of behavior, we will be tempted to ban you from the game for a while. Please refrain from posting without thinking in future.
My suggestion is the following:
Have all countries regardless of country rank receive the same quality of youth player in regards to their starting stats. After this you randomise the players stats so you get the difference in the players total stat at the end of their development.
Doing this relies on the skill of the manager rather than being in the best country.
berhan can suck it
From Berhan K in the Announcements topic:
“Fantastic stuff, the new countries!!!
I was itching to take on a team in Sweden, but I’ll stick around at EPL, beating Davison is too much fun. Besides I guess someone has to make it harder for Filipe, most team give him easy points anyway. ;)"