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Thanks for your thoughts Berhan. I know you told us so and we could certainly see it coming, but some habits are hard to change. Anyway, on to the interesting stuff.
As usual you are giving some crazy ideas, most of them in a good sense. Points 1 to 5 are really great and in-line with what I’ve been thinking. To be honest I haven’t done any research on what we need to remove in terms of club names, logos, etc so that we are not infringing any copyrights.
The cards idea is very radical and would fundamentally change the mechanics of transfers and the economy in general as well as introduce some interesting management and random events concepts. I’m a conservative person and would probably do some “fixes” to the current state of things before going through this more radical path, but I have to say I like the sound of it. The game needs a reset and that would be a good time to introduce innovative concepts.
Cheers
Well, Gabriel and Danilo, I am not sure if you remember our conversation on Skype years ago, I warned you of this very thing happening. I actually reluctantly enjoy saying this : “I told you so!”. Never mind, life goes on.
I am not sure you need to get rid of the real life clubs and competitions, but you need to do it in a different way.
Take a look at OSM (online soccer manager) , they do have real club and player names. You coach only for a season then next season you take a new club in same or different league. It’s a meta game really of getting as much points and competing against other players.
Game is “FREE” although to really enjoy it you need to make in game purchases so you can have more staff, and train better etc.
Depends on what kind of game world you want to setup but if you want to keep the current model as it is, that would be THE best for hardcore managers (as myself). So here is my shortlist of suggestions:
1) Keep same model of the game world as it is, get rid of any trademarked stuff, such as the club loos, that is the first thing that will be attacked.
2) Keep game free but add content to be unlocked, such as (some at least):
a. better youth academy
b. better scouting – finding the best possible younger players
c. better economy – possibility to invest, to gain more funds
3) Make an app that is the scouting tool, the app should not be for free
4) make an app that is the youth dev tool, not for free
5) make an app that is the economy management tool, not for free
Really you could keep the game for free, and make the extra stuff around it paid features.
A BIG issue is cheating in such games : make manager reputation really count, so in order to make more than 1-2 transfers/season, you should unlock something or gain something. Maybe meeting the requirements will unlock “transfer cards” that will allow you transfer a player from a certain country/continent. At the end of the season you could have a finale where the board meet with you and summarize what you gained/won.
So you achieved 5/6 goals then you can draw 5 cards that will have a serious impact on your club/manager/players/youth/etc.
cards could be something like:
1) the next “Ronaldo” card, so you apply this card you a youth player then you know this player is destined to greatness.
2) the giant-killer card, your club (if smaller) should be able to win against any big club on certain game(s)
3) economic boom card, your club makes BIG money next season, return of investment etc..
.. and so on.. some could be real rare cards while others are not so..
You could exchange any number of cards for transfer “permits”, so you had 5/6 achieved goals, you could then exchange 5 of the cards for transfer, or only two, keep the rest.
THE CARDS are your managers cards, so they go with you to any club you move on. A real nice career development can be achieved!!
Now, remember you only managed 5/6 goals, at the “FINALE” you draw 5 “good” cards but also one “bad” cards. The “bad” cards could be something like:
1) Injury on key player (for the rest of the season) – random of course, you have no control over this.
2) Economy manager running away with clubs money, leaving you only 20% of the funds available
3) Players (x number of random players of your squad) were partying in the local pub, dragging their fitness level down so they are not in form
and so on..
I would also consider removing MONEY from the game, maybe the CARDS could be the CURRENCY for you as manager. Then you could build up a stack of cards before taking on managing a BIG club. That would get rid of the cheaters big time.
I know this makes the game a totally different kind but it also makes it more easier to get at mainstream audience, not only the hardcore managers.
It would make it harder for cheaters, specially if you remove the currency in the game.
Well, some thought anyway
/BK
and lets not forget moral
Thanks everyone for the opinions so far, let’s keep it going. Just to make it clear, getting rid of real club names is just a consequence of going freemium (if we do that) due to licencing issues, not something we simply want to do. Summary of what has been said so far:
-match algorithm needs improvement: GK too important, real-life formations can’t be used as too much happens in the center of the field
-youth generation algorithm needs improvement: smaller countries should have a better chance of having good youths
-bonus performance for fielding homegrown players
-player market: allow proposals to non-listed players
-economy: budget reset every season is not a good thing, bring back team money concept and improve departments
Cheers
I play three game against Banfield and three time that goal keeper was man of the match , this is unbelievable, the system are bad..
Posição: G
Lado: –
Guarda-Redes: 86
Desarme: 32
Passe: 81
Remate: 29
Velocidade: 90
Drible: 81
Controlo: 91
Cabeceamento: 79
Agressividade: 44
Condição: 99
I don’t see why we should get rid of real life clubs. At the moment most managers take a look at the players and not at the name of the club. Ok, some managers want to play with Barcelona, Real Madrid or Manchester United but nowadays these ‘famous reallife clubs’ are not the big clubs in rubysoccer. In England you have Coventry City and West Bromwich Albion, in Spain you have Elche and Racing Club Ferrol, and so on. So why do you need fantasy names?
I do think it’s more important for a footbal game you don’t have reallife players like Ronaldo or Messi because then you have only 1 of them. In Ruby you have lots of topstrikers and I don’t mind mine names Roscoe. I just need a topstriker.
Most important to get this game back on track is to fix the economy. Nowadays the market is static. Why selling your topstriker if you loose the money anyway because there isn’t an alternative on the market. Managers give millions for a single player because they know they shouldn’t manage their cash at all. If the market is fixed the game will be more dynamic again and more attractive. New managers will come and stay.
The management department are good in my opinion but there need to be another concept for the money. Contractclauses are one thing but they won’t fix the whole economy system.
I want to pay for this game to unlock more features like a more specific scouting department , a better youth training or additional playerspots available in your squad.
I also agree with Jorge you could make the youths more random. They can rely on the countryranking but not for 100%. In real life England is a topleague but they don’t have many good youths. Belgium is a small league but they have a golden period for youths.
I’ve written enough for the moment…Other opinions?
english please
Penso que esse usuario deveria ser banido do jogo; é um destruidor de equipas; muda varias vezes de equipa por epoca; vende todos os melhores jogadores das equipas por onde passa depois acaba por gastar toda a condicao fisica da equipa e muda de clube faz isso durante varias epocas desde a epoca 96… estragou pelo menos umas 9 equipas… e vai continuar assim a destruir todas as equipas mais ou menos boas sem computador que poderiam dar mais competitividade
é verdade que a nivel dos resultados muitas vezes o homem do jogo é o gr com tantos remates no alvo torna se por vezes irrealista ( jogo meu na taca em Casa 21 remates 13
19 remates no alvo 11
90% passes acertados 76% e perco 0-1 )
… o mercado anda fraco deveria dar para fazer propostas a jogadores sem treinador mesmo que nao estejam na lista e o sistema consoante o valor e o valor do jogador aceitariam ou nao, mas nao permitir isso entre treinadores reais para nao se ser " constantemente " abordados por jogadores que nao queremos vender… eu contino a achar que nao deveria se perder o dinheiro no fim da epoca podermos esclher em ficar com o montante e ter menos pontos para investir ou entao perde lo e ter mais pontos…
I have to say i like the way the game is right now too. The only problem i have with it is that from day one we’ve never been able to use normal world formations like 4-4-2, 4-3-3 and 5-3-2 for example as play only seems to happen in the center of the pitch and therefore managers just line their players up through the center of the pitch.
Another problem is that players from brazil and England are better than other countries and therefore everyone seems to buy players solely from those countries. A way to solve that could be to implement a team bonus wereby a team fielding say 6 homegrown players would get a small performance advantage in the match over a team full of foreign players. It would also help international teams too. Additonally regarding international teams, managers gets fired way too easily which makes it kind of pointless even applying and again that is something which cud be improved.
As for getting rid of real life club and competition names, i wouldnt be in favour of that as one of the unique aspects of this game is having real clubs in real competitions as its something most onlines games dont have.
Sincerely, i like the game as it is right now. For me, the only handicaps are the match’s algorithm and the youth upgrade calculation. The match algorithm tends to give a great emphases on goal keepers (even when they are not that great) making it hard to score goals even when we have 20/25 shots on target. The other remark is the youth players: it’s very rare to have 2 or 3 reasonsable good players that we can promote to the principal squad. Most of the time, the game gives you an average rated player player that will eventually end up in the free transfer. Once in a while a Ronaldo or a Messi could came along :)
Free game and with real club names, excellent!!!
just keep city names and make the logos generic
I think it is clear to everyone at the moment that something drastic must be done with the game to put it back on track. We’re missing two main things at the moment: time and motivation. There’s only so much we can do about lack of time, we won’t compromise work and family to work on the game, but when we do have free time we need motivation to spend a few hours on RubySoccer every now and then.
With that in mind, one of the possibilities is moving RubySoccer to a freemium model where the game would remain free-to-play but managers would be able to make in-game purchases to either unlock more features or gain some kind of benefit. By doing this we would have to get rid of real life club and competition names which in my opinion is a very nice feature. How would everyone feel about that?
Even without real life club names I’d like to keep the structure of countries, national leagues and cups and international competitions. The difference would be that each manager would them create his/her own club and join a particular country. Let’s not worry about the specific mechanics of that right now.
I have some more ideas to discuss but I think I’ve said enough to get this started.
Cheers
I have to say I feel a bit encouraged to do something about the game at the moment. I know the pay to play is probably the way to go, or maybe a freemium model. In order to move towards this we would have to change some basic stuff about the game, like real club and tournament names. Even if we do that I’d like to keep the same structure: countries with fixed divisions, a national cup, two international competitions and club world cup.
How would everyone feel about losing real-life clubs? Maybe I should start a topic about this…
i would donate if i saw progress. gabriel im not trying to talk shit but im giving tough love. i do love this game, it can be so MUCH more than it is now.
you want players ? make it a facebook app like top eleven maybe ?
give us some boost in team players attributes or something. give more incentive to buy or sell or even trade.
more options as a manager is very very important. have we advertised ? on forums or what have you ? i want this game (us) to become what it can be.
berhan said once he would buy the game of ya. he said he has the knowledge or what have you. surely you could appoint volunteer developers
im just trying to innovate ideas….someone has to :(
The game become static..
Transfer market is bad, there is nothing to upgrade, not much to do anymore, its just logging in an putting 11 players on the pitch.
The lack of competition amongst managers, bragging and ranting in the forums I miss the most :)
But still this game is better then any other football game.
We need to PAY to Play.
And for donations… you would need thousands people to play the game to keep the game running from dontions…
Donations is “extra” income but thats about it.
We need a fixed amount money investing in the game.
Im willing to pay 10 euro a month even at this state but expect improvements ofcoarse.
Sad to see you leave Smithers, but I understand your reasons. Davison is harsh as usual but of course he has a point. Shutting down the game has been considered a few months ago, but we decided to keep it alive for the sake of the players and, who knows, we could get excited to work on it again. It seems some people still enjoy playing RubySoccer, when that’s not true any more we might as well shut it down and save some money.
Cheers
yeh the game is shit, its completely fuckn random it attributes mean fuck all anymore its all luck now
ive had 50 shots in a game and still lost with 35 of them being on target and playing vs a shit team while i had all stud line up. the games dead
dont blame you, im close to leaving too if nothing is improved.. and i mean the next update better fucking have something other than some bullshit fake shit like scouting reports.
this game became the worst manager game due to neglect from its owners. people just see that and say why should i waste my time playing here and they go else where.
GJ GUYS!!! neglected game to death
was a pleasure, but taking to much time.
Especially the result made me decide….makes me a soar loser i guess.
Good luck all!
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/4077480
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/4077462
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/4077612
O facto de querer jogar com varias equipas Rui compreendo no entanto nao é permitido e dai existir o medium.. mesmo que nao haja trocas entre equipas e nesse caso houve ou iria haver pode muito bem influenciar certos resultados…. como a maioria dos jogos funciona por ips ect e é claro que ainda por cima em Portugal facilmente tens outro ip basta teres net movel e uma fixa… e ha os amigos dos amigos ect e o mercado estava melhor antes agora pouco se pode comprar e o pouco é a preco exurbitante; no entanto se as regras dizem que cada usuario so pode ter uma equipa…
Olá Rui,
Entendo suas considerações e acredito que realmente não tenha criado outro usuário com más intenções. Certamente nosso método não detecta todos os casos e até detecta casos que não são batota. A decisão de não permitir mais de um usuário por pessoa foi pra tentar facilitar o gerenciamento e não ter que analisar caso a caso quais deveriam ser permitidos e quais não. Espero que compreenda.
Abraço
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English: Rui explains he was not cheating and not even hiding the fact the other account was his (given the same surname), simply had a separate user because he’s addicted to the game and wanted to have more play time. He also questions why it is considered cheating to have another user and questions our detection methods. I told him I believe him and explained the decision to not allow multiple users was simply to make it easier to manage these situations by simply forbidding it rather than having to analyse in a case by case basis.
Algumas considerações:
1 – Assumo o que fiz, mas em minha defesa digo que não foi com má conduta, até usei o nome do meu filhote e mantive o sobrenome, usei um mail ligado à minha conta do Sporting e tudo. Se fosse por maldade podia usar outras técnicas.
2 – Ainda não percebi bem porque é considerado batota ter outra equipa… falando por mim, é o vício de criar e jogar com mais equipas, uma coisa que deveria ser normal. Ok, colocava-se a questão da compra e venda. So what? Desde que com regras bem definidas, acima do preço de mercado etc, qual o mal? Sendo igual para todos… era justo. É afastado da realidade? Se calhar nem por isso… não digo que haja donos de várias equipas, mas no que toca ao mercado sabemos como funciona entre agentes, fundos etc.
3 – Por outro lado duvido muito que detectem todos os que possam fazer isto, o que torna a coisa injusta.
4 – Procuram casos destes por IP´s e MAC Address?… O facto de ser fácil de contornar deixa-me triste por me banirem a mim, que fiz às claras e sem intenções.
5 – Gosto do jogo, por isso vou começar do zero algures na América Latina.
Visto que não é a primeira vez acho justo. Vou despedi-lo do Sporting.
Obrigado
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English: Lince and Scatola argued something should be done with Rui’s user, not only the duplicate. Given it’s not the first time he creates secondary accounts I’ll fire him from Sporting as punishment.
concordo perfeitamente com o lince pois andamos a penar e a construir e assim nao é justo devia ser banido do sporting . abraco
A banir era a conta mais " forte " nesse caso despedir do sporting o treinador para aprender…
Obrigado Micoli, já confirmei o abuso e bani o usuário Tiago Reis que treinava o Dijon.
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English: Rui Reis had a second user, Tiago Reis, who I just banned.
Este jogador está a utilizar mais do que um nome no jogo atualmente treina o Sporting de Portugal e também treina o dijon em frança e está a fazer negócios de jogadores entre as duas equipas, obrigado
Thanks for your reply. Yes I would agree with all you say, would be nice not to play the same team that you just played in the group stage. Maybe this could be added to the code.
From Gabriel Cesario (admin)
I wouldn’t call it a bug but a non-desirable outcome of the algorithm used to generated the international cup finals matches. The only restrictions currently in place are:
- first placed teams must play against second placed teams in the round of 16
- teams are split in two pots, one with the “stronger” ones and another with the “weakers”…matches must consist of a team from each pot
- same country teams should not face each other unless inevitable
The rule you would like included (and one that makes a lot of sense by the way) is that teams from the same group should not face each other in the round of 16.
Cheers
Igi…
Thanks! Replay is now working ok…except my side still loses :(