I don’t feel you should take the randomness out of the game. There is not much randomness, so why take the last thing you can’t control out of the game. I don’t like that idea one bit. Infact I find it unrealistic aswell. Players are born with some form of talent. Training normally only gives minor improvements. You actually think Messi had to train to get his type of ‘flair’? For you as an englishman, you think Gerrard had to practise hard to get his cannon of a shot? He was born with that talent mate :)
When I said fair I ment, we would all get the same type of teams, since anyone could easely train an attacker on high shooting or defender on high tackle. The fact you can’t control what stats players get makes it hard and thus intresting. All you seem to want is to make things easier for managers. Good managers will always find a way. Managers like Charles Cimitier, Filipe Silva, Dhimitier, Francois, myself and so and so on (for those I forgot). They all proven to always be able to start over and create a winning team.
I rather see things like player morale being implemented.
Funny how I have the opposite feeling. i was thinking about quiting. Ruby was getting boring. These changes now bring a new dimension to the game and lots of options. I guess we play the game differently.
First off, increasing your stadium was always a waste of money. The amount of money you put it, you could never ever earn back. I think 1 investment was like 20 seasons to earn it back. Also, I never ever had a bankroll at all :). My money was on the pitch. I’ve read more posts on the forum about “omg i lost my 800 mill”. Now it’s pretty cool and all you managed to get 800mill as a bankroll, but money in the bank doesn’t win you prizes, which is what football normally is about :). So personally I don’t understand that, but that could be me…..
I enjoy this game because of the strategic gameplay aspect. Mixing up lineups to make sure stamina is perfect for my games and I use the right guy’s vs the right opponents, this all to be as competative as long as possible in all area’s (league, international, cup)
I’m sorry to see you feel like this. It’s your right to play the game as you like, but personally I don’t quite understand. How you can enjoy yourself for that long playing just CPU opponents is beyond me :)
I hope you can change your mind about the new economy. Perhaps it’s an idea (now that you are back to 0 again) to change teams and experience how it is to play vs players in a league instead of cpu’s? May I suggest division 1 in England :)
Regards,
Sly
Being able to train certain stats wouldn’t make it fair. The randomness keeps it fair, otherwise we would all be stacked with 100 shooting attackers. In managersim you could train ‘attacking skills’ or ‘teamplay’, but I believe this was more fiction then fact. I always felt it had really minor advantages.
So i don’t think it will be in the advantage of the game to train in specific skills.
Player Morale would be awesome. Again, just like in managersim, that just stacking your team with youths for friendlies would seriously hurt your team performance, since they were unhappy most of the time because of lack of officials. This WOULD bring a new dimension to the game.
Even though I’m happy something like rubysoccer is around, and that it perhaps has surpassed Managersim on some levels, I still feel that even after 5-6 years since Managersim is down, it has not exceeded it. I still miss features that game had, which ruby does not. Rubysoccer to some level feels like an ‘easier’ game, since things are less random and more visible. I think others who played managersim can confirm, that that game had alot of ‘hidden’ things. Hidden stats or features, which made the game pretty dynamic.
But hey, a free game like this is absolutely awesome, and I thank gabriel/danillo for creating it for us. Doing it all in there spare time and letting alot of people enjoy it FOR FREE!
Keep up the great work!! Who knows where this game could eventually end up!!!
Regards,
Sly
Nice one :). Middlesbrough was in my thoughts aswell, since I managed it for like 4 years in Managersim (in eurotest)
@Gabriel: Perhaps it’s an idea to keep a % of the money? Otherwise I support the idea of being able to spend some extra board points. This way any div2 team can perhaps improve his points and get a better and improved position to build their team and promote to div1.
@Filipe: You had your time and success with Manchester United, give someone else a chance to do some great things with it :). Also, it’s not just me who moved to England. “We all” joined England :). Charles Cimitier also just joined, but we made a choice to start from Div2 to make it a challange. Man U was relegating to div2, so I went for it. It will however be a great challange I think with this new Economy. My board won’t be happy with the relegation (which i obiously had no part in), so I will probebly get a shitty budget and lose board points :(.
But hey, ‘we’ wanted a new and real challange and some time ago someone said here on the forum, it’s only a real challange to join a div2 team in england and then promote and win prizes :). I’m sure you can think of someone who could have said that :).
@Felix: I plan on promoting as fast as possible to div1, so I’m affraid I’m going to have to keep some of the older high shooting attackers.
I’m up for a new challange, so I took over Manchester United. Check out the roster, since I listed some players pretty cheap if you ask me. I’ll admit, they aren’t that great :), but perhaps for some depth in your team or whatever, they might be usefull!
If you find them too expensive now, perhaps check the free transfer in a while, since they might end up there then :)
Regards,
Sly
hehe, common…. you should know better. The transfer list doesn’t show how much money there is around, it shows that people don’t have a good understanding of what players are actually worth :). Then again, a player is worth as much as anyone is willing to pay for it :).
Gabriel, I think this was the best thing to do, just to have like this ‘reset’. Some people will be hurt they lost all their money, but it had to happen
I asked around what budgets are from other teams, and I feel people in general do have a large budget though and there are not such big differences. I wonder when performing bad, will really start to effect your budget.
You said it’s based on the performance of last season, but what if you switch teams? I assume it’s based on the teams last season performance and not you as a manager right? So if you had a great season and then go somewhere else. Your previous performance as a manager was good, but you simply joined a bad team, thus get a crappy budget? Is that how that works?
Well I had 69 mill, and investment now says 200mill. This was simply needed to bring order to chaos I guess. In your case you lost money, in my case I gained.
It is a fresh start, and knowing you…..I’m sure you like the challange. Afterall you just switched teams yet again :)
BK, personally I never cared about player value at all. I think I even suggested to just remove it from the game, because of all the hassle about it. The downside of this now might be, that young players will suddenly be expensive, making it harder for people to build new teams. I think time will tell. Personally I agree with other posts that, when it comes to the economy, any change would be a good one. Let’s just ‘wait and see’ where it all takes us.
@Davison: Wether you are on coaching 5 or 10 doesn’t matter for the player potential. Coaching 10 just makes them unlock their stats faster i.e.: With coaching 10, 15 xp points is enough to increase a player on an X amount of stats, which meens you he’ll have to play him in 5 league games or 15 friendlies to increase him in stats.
I still got some questions of my own, but I can answer 1 thing for you. I am 1 of those teams that had a player on the roster for 300k wage. His wage has been reset to 67k.
I figured that the budget for now has been corrected for the fact the season is almost over. I’m assuming next season we’ll get a new budget and it will most likely be the amount you see in the investmentscreen. Atleast that’s what I think.
I agree with you ont he matter that i feel youths are a bit over prices. I had lots of them on 5-8k wage, which now suddenly is 20+k. Then again, I’m not the one who is allowed to complain about that for now :)
It does look fishy. I’ll look into it….
I find it very strange….
Has anyone ever had any contact with these managers? I think I’ve send them like 2-3 mails and they never answer. Not a No, or Yes or I don’t speak english or No hablo Inglés or even Eu não falam Inglês..
Just checking to find out if they are real managers or not. Gabriel perhaps you know? I see 2 managers I mentioned are in the same network with 4 other names who all conveniently logged in at the same time.
What did I miss? :)
The netherlands also has a saying: “wie zich brandt moet op de blaren zitten” :)
Wow this is very impressive. I think you are like the first team in the history of Rubysoccer to pull of a stunt like this :). Charles has some good tips, you will get get CL next season. Make sure you got enough good players to rotate things around to keep up with the extra amount of games you’ll be getting.
Goodluck!
IMO it’s nice to see the tables have turned. In the early day’s it was only Brazil and argentina who had to devide all the points, while europe had to split it through like 5 or something. The first 30 seasons was just brazil who was dominated because of the flawed concept.
I’m kinda happy to see them being on the otherside of it all :)
no there isn’t. This isn’t Managersim :)
He improved again? You are on coaching 0? :).
I listed some more 23 year old growing talent. Have a look:
Roberto Orejas
Position: A
Side: LC
Keeping: 31
Tackle: 73
Passing: 78
Shooting: 96
Speed: 81
Dribble: 95
Control: 93
Header: 92
Alfonso Marcos
Position: A
Side: L
Keeping: 36
Tackle: 78
Passing: 77
Shooting: 85
Speed: 90
Dribble: 90
Control: 89
Header: 87
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/team_players/360
94 passing 21 year old SUPERSTAR for sale. The dude will make it to 100 passing for sure. I consider this my “golden ticket” to hopefully get some needed cash to rebuild Barcelona.
Luciano Brito
Attributes
Position: M
Side: C
Keeping: 39
Tackle: 70
Passing: 94
Shooting: 72
Speed: 87
Dribble: 85
Control: 90
Header: 79
He’s listed at 75 mill now. I know this is alot of money with the current market. I also know this is pocket change for some teams. Those are the teams I’m shooting for. Someone who’s willing to invest in the future. I am willing to negociate, but he’s playing alot for me now so it’s only a matter of time before he hits 100 passing. Then the price will not be lower :).
Hopefully I see some offer coming my way
dude, this has been discussed over and over by managers (also myself) that what he did was just impossible. The creators assured us he only knew what we all knew. So…..we have to “believe” them. I e-mailed him and asked him (even confronted him) with mails about it. He always managed to avoid my direct crucial questions or he even didn’t answer……
The problem for now is “solved”. Since he quit rubysoccer :)
yes….. I can confirm this :)
yeah Filipe, please accept the fact your old team will be destroyed. It happend to all us ex france managers :)
@filipe: what best managers in england? :). There is only 2, and I doubt cardiff will join spain. He finally has a real team again :)
To be honoust, Spain is the place to be if you want to have a real challange in the league. Most of the “known good managers” went there :). They are all still building aswell, so you can all be “ready” at about the same time.
I think that was in the early years of Rubysoccer. Gabriel “fixed” this, because of the fact you were able to abuse “selling” players like this. I thought now you would just get fired after coaching lvl is 0 and you still lose money.
i still got players for sale btw :). That was kinda my very bad intention here :)…. HAVE A LOOK!!!