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Topic: Youth grow to slow..?

well said :))

Topic: Youth grow to slow..?

I don’t see anything strange in that. At age 23 a player is usually at the closing stages of his development, and like in RL it is usually the main skill’s development that lasts longer. So in yours players case he had finished growing in all other attributes and all the development points left for him went to his main skill.
It is also possible that one season as player’s development focuses on 1-2-3 skills, and the next season the focus moves on other attributes.
An educated guess is still a matter of intuition, in some cases your expectations will be succeeded and in some other cases they will be not fulfilled. And like in RL young talents can turn out to be mediocre or superstars beyond expectations. In addition, development can be gradual or in hops, or it can take a breakthrough year.

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I am seeing players growing from 90 to 100 skill in half season at age 23.

Thats more luck than anything else. I think you should be awarded only when you make an educated guess not when its pure luck.

By the way this happened in my favor and honestly i never thought this guy would turn out to be this good.

You develop your youth into a decent player in seven years and in half season he becomes from mediocre to world class.

I am wondering if the majority is happy with the current system or not.

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conclusion: keep everything as it is now :)…things will start smoothing out :). Tbh, I don’t get the “no growth complaints”. I have tons of players who suddenly turned into starts :)….the new system only did me well! I now have players who are worth 40-50 mill. Before the system I was happy I had 2 players who were 10+ million.

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Alban is right when he says that there are improvements to be made in other areas that will affect this discussion. Big clubs will end letting some starts go cause they’re unhappy :)

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To be serious, several months ago I was called “a cheater” and people argued about how was possible my team in Fastticker had sooo many high valued players. It was true that all of them were acquired from the free transfer market and developed into stars playing friendlies like crazy =)

But now I am totally for the “slowing” of the improvement process. And it is not dealy dangerous for weaker teams, totally not ! You see, big clubs and small clubs all have 1 limit: 30 players + 6 youths, so even Big clubs have to free transfer players who seem to be too weak for them. Also, after the system is a bit changed by the developers, I mean after we can’t keep 1 main squad and 19 more players who sit on the bench (when the “happiness” system comes or when players start temporarly lose skills if aren’t used in official matches), even Big clubs will have to lose STAR players.

This is the process, this is the evolutuion. Big club has small potential for growth, weak clubs have plenty of it. But, as in real life, they need some patience and many work, as every manager of the Big clubs had to do several seasons ago. Don’t forget, the game is pretty fast, it takes 24 days to play 1 season. Look at the Brazilian league – many clubs fight for the title. But a couple of seasons there was only 1 title winner – Cruzeiro.

And don’t forget that soon when more countries are added, all free transfered youths from Big countries will be taken by clubs from new countries and if they keep them, in 3-4 seasons they will have own stars.

That’s even better than real life is. Because here we have like 15 times more good players =)

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Well, maybe we just change the attribute system to 1000s, not 100s, then even 10% of potential will result in many “blues” during the season =))

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yes i think it is a little slow now….. but maybe in a long run it could be good because managers dont want to way that long and so players can go to the market and then they can be a star….
maybe just the 10% of youths should grow very fast, and get maximum skills at very young age, and keep the same path than it is going on now to the rest of players.
Like i say, this might be better for small team, so the can get some good players fast, the market now is so crazy than even clubs with money can´t afford good players ( it is not real but also a top price for player could be set, and so give a chance to buy players to many managers).

salud

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He must have reached his maximum potential for this season. Remember luck is also involved on player development, you may have a player that gets more potential earlier in his carreer. ;)

I have a small suggestion that won’t change the average total skill points earned by players but may improve the general feeling about this subject. What if players improved less skill points at once, but more frequently? Currently it takes at least 4 official matches or 12 friendlies (2 official or 6 friendlies for youths) to improve. On each improvement the player gets from 1 to 6 skill points, 3.5 in the average. We could reduce the number of matches needed and reduce the average number of skill points earned (like from 2 to 4, 3 in the average).

I’d still have to think about the exact numbers, I’m just giving a draft of an idea :)

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It might just be me, but i still think the youth growth is waay to slow it seems like you have timed 0 with 2 :)

I have a super youth :) now worth 2 mill 79 in shooting, he has gained 2 times during this entire season and he have played 72 matches whereof 63 is friendlies, its general for all my youths every time i log in to check noone has risen in stats. in my world thats MEGA boring and completely useless i expect to see gains more often in youths than in regulars but this is not the case, im very disapointed with the way youths works now.

I hope we can bring this up to discussion again and take a new look at the way youth grows…

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Don’t worry Sly, I’m not changing anything anytime soon, specially without a convincing yes, as you said :)
If people keep complaining about that I’ll do an official poll so more people can give their opinions. In the other hand, if we already had a convincing yes I could work on something earlier, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
Cheers!

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well I dón’t think 5 vs 4 is a very convincing yes. I would like to see double this in order for you to push it through. I’M REALLY REALLY NOT LIKING THIS IDEA!!!!!!!!. You are making it harder for smaller teams this way because of the reasons stated above. FOR GODSAKE PLEASE THINK THIS THROUGH!!! Please keeps things as they are now, since I think people are just to darn inpatient…..that’s why they now want to change things. It’s only been 2 seasons since the change and you already want to change it again? Common…just wait it out for another 3-5 seasons ATLEAST!!

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It is too easy at the moment, but in MS strong youth could refuse to renew contract with weak team, we also had clauses like BCC or relegation. Now we can keep the players forever

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Nothing, in any way of the game, should be too predictive. But some core of the logic (income, player skills, improvement, etc.) need to be pre-adjusted, and that’s what we were talking about – for the the “improvement logic”

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I agree with DamaGo
Know give me back my striker now that i Know how the system works
LOL

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ok Gabriel, thanks. That´s the good part, fun.
and thanks for keeping the good job up, i really appreciate it.
salud

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The random factor is there and will be there anyway. The percentages I posted are not exact, but an average, so there will be players getting less potential in the beginning and more later on. This is part of the fun :)

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i voted yes and it was hard because i have doubts about both options.
What about a random system. Some players will grow faster as youngest and some players will grow more around 23 to 25-6… that way manegers will have to figure out in what growing path the player will grow and that will give the chance to pick up players left in the market which will improve a great deal overtime, that will be good for weakers teams….
Maybe…..
salud
damago

Topic: Youth grow to slow..?

According to the rules being suggested, 21 yrs old players will still be able to grow, the average would be kept on 25 yrs old as it is now, we’re only making it faster in the first years and a little bit slower in the following ones. I’ll count your vote as no.
YES: Parag, Philipp, Alexander, thorpedo, DaMaGo (5)
NO: Sly, Hopjes, Alban, Luc (4)

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Gabriel

Please dont take away the prospect that at 21yrs old they can still grow and a few rough diamonds are out there.
Damago can vouch for this but i sold my A88 striker at 23yrs old and he continued to grow to a A92 when i last looked.
The easier you make it for big clubs the harder this fast tick will get for beginners. Look at my Monaco, except for the free listed player wages, pushing the bankruptcy theory. LOL
I have bought some nice 21 22 year olds at small ticket prices, they are growing and giving me hope of a decent squad in 1.5 seasons since i started.

I would vote to keep your current change as is for at least two full seasons before we could quantify its success. Guys dont become too impatient.

I believe more energies in the tactic algorithms would be better invested in our time

cheers Luc

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More useful old players were already in our plans. My initial idea was that their presence would give other players some kind of bonus. I also like the experience suggestion, we could use it instead. So your vote is tied to this other enhancement…well, I could do both at once so I’ll consider it a yes.

YES: Parag, Philipp, Alexander, thorpedo, DaMaGo (5)
NO: Sly, Hopjes, Alban (3)

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I am for Thorpedo’s suggestion. A player with high experience should be more valuable for the club. I would also add some international experience.

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I can find me in this suggestion.

But I guess we have to make a system that older players doesn’t make useless. For instance, an older player has more experience and will make less mistakes in a match. So I suggest a system with experience points. To make it easy a player gets every season 10 experience points starting when he leaves youth academy. These experience points can be used in a ratio like keepers do it for heading.
Let’s say a player uses 80% skills (first & second ones) and 20% experience points for his performance in a match.

So my vote is a yes, as long as there comes a system for older players.

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The coaching effect is faster improvement, but limited to the current potential. So let’s say you’ve got a player has 10% of his potential to improve. With coaching 10 it would take him half season while it would take him 1 season with coaching 5 and 2 seasons with coaching 0. So if you have coaching 10, you’d unleash all his available potential in half season and would have to wait until the next season (when he gets more points) to continue improving the player. You may think it’s not worth to have coaching 10, but it’s useful when you get underdeveloped players from the market or when you want to see the players potential faster. These are not the exact numbers, it all depends on the matches being played, but I guess you’ve got the idea.

So my suggestion for voting is around 15% of potential every season from 16 to 19 years (turns 20 with 60% of potential released, 45% developed, in the average) and 8% for the following seasons (turns 24 with 100% of potential released, 92% developed, in the average…of course some players may still improve after that).

So thorpedo, what is your vote? :)

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Gabriel, what is the effect of the coach department right now. Will the player improve faster or will he just improve to the maximum potential he has which isn’t the case in a level 5.

Let me clarify my opinion. I don’t want a system that improve players to their maximum on the age of 22. Let that be clear.
If your intention is to make a little faster improvement in the first years (60% – 40% or someting like that) I’m ok with the change. But there may not be a reach of maximum potential @ 22

So can you clarify what you suggest to implete.

After that I will give a clear yes/no.

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Gabriel, thorpedo votes NO not yes, since if you are level 10 like him you have a player at his maximum @ 23….. so in his case he meens NO since players currently won’t reach there maximum at 27, otherwise he would vote yes…

so that makes it 4-4 in votes if you ask me….

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Update
YES: Parag, Philipp, Alexander, thorpedo, DaMaGo (5)
NO: Sly, Hopjes, Alban (3)

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My couple of points:

1) we need at least 10 more countries for balanced skills and players’ transfers
2) we could change from 120 points on average to 110 or 100. But don’t forget that lots of good players will only increase the importance of good tactics

My opinion is NO. If we speed up the youth growing process, it will make everything more predictable, less future stars will go on a free transfer list….but it is more real

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I must admit I still have some issues with the new way players develop. I simply think it takes to long time to see any changes. I think it sounds reasonable that players shouldn’t peak at age 21-22, but it shouldn’t take so many experience point in order to grow. I will refer to my own player Davide Brollo (again): He has played a total of 108 matches 11 of these has been official games. He may or may not have star potential, but he does not grow. It’s like time stands still with this guy. I generally like the idea of a skill pool with 10-20% percent being released every season, but if you can’t get the players to improve even with a coaching level of 10 and a heck of games something is wrong.

Topic: Youth grow to slow..?

my vote goes to YES.

abracos

damago