This suggesstion only applies to first and second divison league matches.

As we know, the crowd attendance curently fluctuates in accordance with the teams position in the league standings. But I was curious to check if this does really happen in Real life ??
I took West Ham as a case study from EPL 2010/2011 season and got the following figures…. (inludes only home matches)

Stated Stadium Capacity : 35303 (source Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boleyn_Ground)
Max Attendance : 34,941 (Vs Liverpool 27th feb 2011)
Min Attendance : 31194 (Vs Blackpool 13th nov 2010)
Avg Attendance : 33492
Median Value : 33422
Minimum Attendance as a percentage of stadium capacity = 88%

This does show that the fans never stop watching their teams play even when they are not winning.
I hope we take some measures to correct this unrealistic implementation in RS, which does not provide any new manager to take a team performing badly and work his/her way upwards…

im not saying attendance should always be static, it should change from game to game, but the current implementation is far off any realistic basis. (Assuming the current implementation is correct, there should be no one watching the second tier league matches) ….

parag

 

The details of all the EPL home matches for Westham United is given below: (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_West_Ham_United_F.C.season#PremierLeague)
the below data only includes the Premier league matches and does not include cup games …

2010/11 EPL West Ham United Crowd Attendance… (only home matches)

21 August 2010 West Ham United 1 – 3 Bolton Wanderers
Attendance: 32,533

11 September 2010 West Ham United 1 – 3 Chelsea
Attendance: 33,014

25 September 2010 West Ham United 1 – 0 Tottenham Hotspur
Attendance: 34,190

2 October 2010 West Ham United 1 – 1 Fulham
Attendance: 34,589

23 October 2010 West Ham United 1 – 2 Newcastle United
Attendance: 34,486

10 November 2010 West Ham United 2 – 2 West Bromich Albion
Attendance: 33,023

13 November 2010 West Ham United 0 – 0 Blackpool
Attendance: 31,194

27 November 2010 West Ham United 3 – 1 Wigan Athletic
Attendance: 34,178

11 December 2010 West Ham United 1 – 3 Manchester City
Attendance: 32,813

28 December 2010 West Ham United 1 – 1 Everton
Attendance: 33,422

1 January 2011 West Ham United 2 – 0 Wolverhampton Wanderers
Attendance: 33,500

15 January 2011 West Ham United 0 – 3 Arsenal
Attendance: 32,682

6 February 2011 West Ham United 0 – 1 Birmingham City
Attendance: 32,927

27 February 2011 West Ham United 3 – 1 Liverpool
Attendance: 34,941

5 March 2011 West Ham United 3 – 0 Stoke City
Attendance: 33,066

2 April 2011 West Ham United 2 – 4 Manchester United
Attendance: 34,546

16 April 2011 West Ham United 1 – 2 Aston Villa
Attendance: 34,672

7 May 2011 West Ham United 1 – 1 Blackburn Rovers
Attendance: 33,789

22 May 2011 West Ham United 0 – 3 Sunderland
Attendance: 32,792

 

Apart from that Soccersim doesn’t have to be a mirror from real life, your statistics just say something about fans of West Ham United.

Anyway, I took a small sample too, ADO Den Haag

07/08 Second League, 5118 average attendance.
08/09 32 points in First League, 10852
09/10 30, 11745
10/11 54 13530

Last season was the highest average ever for them.

 

Also, I think gamewise it’s a good idea to have a financial bonus for doing well.

 

You did well supporting your suggestion with stats but you the team and league you are not the ideal if you want to show what happens in real life in most leagues… Any EPL team has a huge number of fans and fans in EPL can’t be compared to any other league…

Also note that West Ham has a relatively small stadium for the fans they have, the same happens in RubySoccer with small stadium teams, even if they are the last in the league if their stadium is small they still will have nice attendance… For those who want to have a 100k stadium they must be sure they will always be in the first positions or they wont ever have full attendance.

 

Who’s got the biggest stadium in RS?
I have seen:
Vitória’s 98,500 (impriving to 99,500),
Tigre’s 84,000,
Hertha’s 77,000,
Chacarita’a 76,000 (improving to 77,000)
Fluminense’s 75,600 (improving to 76,600),
São Caetano’s 75,000,
Grêmio’s 74,000 (improving to 76,000).

is there any others that I am missing?
does anyone know waht the % of attendance is for this season (League/Home) of the teams with the biggest stadium,
We all know that having a huge stadium is not the best investment.

Here is the example with the team from RS with the biggest stadium.
Brazil’s Vitoria:

they have played 17 home matches the lowest attendance is at the first season Home match with a total of 53,301 (54.11%) and the High of 96,420 (97.88%) after winning the first 4 home matches of the season, the average of the season is 73,275 (74.39%).
(if you want prove of the numbers please let me know I will send them to you.

In Real Life you are never going to have 88% of attendance for all teams.

 

AGOVV 76000. I think their attendancce is 97%.

 

i think a financial reward should go to cup winners, and league winners ect also think that if a manager has invested money into a stadium and for that to be for nothing why even have the fuckn option. so make it usefull and like real life where fans show up to games regardless of the TABLE position. i know for 1st hand account as a Sunderland Fan

 

As I said EPL is a diferent league from every other, every team has a huge number of fans and they are fanatic for their team whatever they perform. If you see any other league that doesn’t happen. Here’s some stats from Portuguese league last season:

1st position FCPorto
stadium: 50k , average attendance: 35.379 (70,20%)

2nd position SLBenfica
stadium: 65k , avarage attendance: 36.531 (56%)

3rd position SportingCP
stadium: 50k , avarage atendance: 23.153 (46,26%)

4th position SCBraga
stadium: 30k , avarege attendance: 13.605 (44,92%)

10th position Leiria
stadium: 23k , avarage attendance: 2.297 (9,92%)

16th position Naval
stadium: 9,5K , avarage attendance: 1.526 (16,11%)

 

Lets look at the below scenario…
A new manager joins ruby soccer… he selects a computer managed team (lets say having 10m) in its bank account. And, as it generally happens most of the computer managed teams have pretty average players and some very good but aged players. Youth players basically don’t get to play much friendly games and most of the time coaching facility is not very good, which means youth wouldn’t have developed. He joins the club (considering he knows how ruby soccer works, which is not the case in any way for new managers), he will have to wait around 6-7 seasons (2 months of real life) to develop his own team capable of challenging others for league position. (This is only possible if the country ranking for his league is number 1 or two ranked.

Do we really think a new manager will be patient enough to wait and learn for so long without any incentive for his team to generate extra income? (its a fake income and is nowhere near the amount a player costs in the transfer market, but it can help to get at least one good player in the long run).

if you want to award good managers, we can have other means to award league/cup winners which can be discussed in a separate forum.
But what i see from here is the same managers since ages winning the leagues, which is quite boring …

i am not asking for 100% attendance every week in week out, but it would be cruel to have 40% attendance just because the team is not performing well… Also i don’t understand the logic of having low crowd attendance in the beginning of the season… Crowd attendance during the beginning of season should be better for all teams as i feel the supporters have new expectations from their teams…

 

i 100% agree with parag,

 

A new argument for you cause Parag but I think it is not a good solution yet, new managers would not be that affected by this as you think, they probably wouldn’t even notice the difference so it would not be taken in consideration for them to leave the game, to avoid that we must search for solutions else than make the game easier, it gets easier for them but it gets to much easy for the older ones…

As for the managers winning the leagues for ages argument this wouldn’t be good neither, most of those managers are the ones with crazy stadiums so if they get full stadium every match they would even be stronger and the gap betwin them and the weaker ones would grow…

I agree with you about the start of season, at the season begin every team should have the same attendance…

 

Interesting discussion. I have to say that in Brazil things work similar to Portugal, if a club is not doing well in the league the attendance is likely to be low. Of course there are a few exceptions for clubs with more fanatic supporters.

Anyway, the change on season start makes sense. I’ve increased the attendance levels for the first 3 league matches, when it is not clear yet who the favorites are.

Cheers.