I deleted the topic about “Corinthians been favored”, since not only it is a complicated thing to prove, but also to judge.

However, I would like to make it registered in case the situation repeats itself in the returing matches.

Hopefully, that incident was nothing.

Or, at least, people will realize we are not so blind to such things.

Again, what good does it do?
I think it wasted a good amount of time and energy that could be used for more productive things, no?

BK

I dont think it is a waste of time Berhan, in this case I dont think there was any favouring but there’s no harm for people to talk about it, at least this way the doubt wont be left. I think when people suspect of something should report it to and Admin or GM or simply post it in the forum as heraser did, i know you have a diferent opinion about this but I would also fell bad and not enjoying the game if I suspected my oponents to be using fake accounts to win matches with reserve team…

Since my last post didn’t have the effect I wanted, this time I’ve collected some data to back it up.

If you feel this is a waste of time, then you can stop at this period.
The post is a little long. Don’t complain about it afterwards; I warned you ;)

At the end I will make some comments.

This is better viewed in a full window ;)

The players stats are here just for easy refference.
If you think there might be errors, then you can check them directly:
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/team_players/11
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/team_players/14
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/team_players/30

Juventude’s Main Team
Second Team

Élcio Pontes
Pos: G Age: 29 Kpg: 89 Pas: 83 Spe: 94 Dri: 90
Uriel Galvão
Pos: G Age: 17 Kpg: 70 Pas: 59 Spe: 65 Dri: 72
Jerônimo Gama
Pos: D Age: 27 Tac: 98 Pas: 77 Sho: 83 Spe: 95 Dri: 82
Dirceu Damásio
Pos: DM Age: 16 Tac: 66 Pas: 63 Sho: 61 Spe: 69 Dri: 70
Lúcio Lago
Pos: D Age: 30 Tac: 95 Pas: 80 Sho: 77 Spe: 87 Dri: 93
Jarbas Godinho
Pos: D Age: 18 Tac: 72 Pas: 65 Sho: 60 Spe: 76 Dri: 79
Jurandir Aquino
Pos: D Age: 32 Tac: 92 Pas: 84 Sho: 84 Spe: 85 Dri: 90
Orlando Esteves
Pos: D Age: 17 Tac: 70 Pas: 53 Sho: 62 Spe: 73 Dri: 73
Manolo Andrade
Pos: D Age: 33 Tac: 90 Pas: 76 Sho: 84 Spe: 85 Dri: 88
Virginio Padilha
Pos: D Age: 17 Tac: 67 Pas: 61 Sho: 59 Spe: 68 Dri: 69
Jeremias Neves
Pos: D Age: 17 Tac: 77 Pas: 58 Sho: 58 Spe: 71 Dri: 70
Iran Terra
Pos: M Age: 35 Tac: 81 Pas: 88 Sho: 77 Spe: 86 Dri: 91
Otávio Assunção
Pos: M Age: 27 Tac: 72 Pas: 87 Sho: 78 Spe: 96 Dri: 84
Carlos Sastre
Pos: M Age: 24 Tac: 73 Pas: 90 Sho: 75 Spe: 89 Dri: 88
Edmundo Rocha
Pos: M Age: 20 Tac: 74 Pas: 80 Sho: 71 Spe: 75 Dri: 79
Otávio Assunção
Pos: M Age: 27 Tac: 72 Pas: 87 Sho: 78 Spe: 96 Dri: 84
André Amorim
Pos: M Age: 31 Tac: 76 Pas: 86 Sho: 71 Spe: 85 Dri: 96
Lourenço Quadros
Pos: A Age: 21 Tac: 70 Pas: 69 Sho: 78 Spe: 88 Dri:77
Admastor Cordeiro
Pos: A Age: 29 Tac: 80 Pas: 78 Sho: 92 Spe: 89 Dri: 87
Nuno Vieira
Pos: A Age: 22 Tac: 71 Pas: 73 Sho: 83 Spe: 72 Dri: 80
Renaud Gaubert
Pos: A Age: 29 Tac: 80 Pas: 75 Sho: 88 Spe: 88 Dri: 100
Franklin Santos
Pos: DA Age: 17 Tac: 71 Pas: 65 Sho: 69 Spe: 69 Dri: 69

Flamengo’s Main Team
Second Team

Vincent König
Pos: G Age: 34 Kpg: 94 Pas: 79 Spe: 79 Dri: 78
Ozias Carvalho
Pos: G Age: 21 Kpg: 83 Pas: 74 Spe: 88 Dri: 81
Ricardo Maciel
Pos: D Age: 35 Tac: 92 Pas: 73 Sho: 77 Spe: 93 Dri: 81
Vitor Martins
Pos: D Age: 17 Tac: 72 Pas: 66 Sho: 68 Spe:71 Dri: 67
Jamil Coutinho
Pos: DA Age: 36 Tac: 83 Pas: 80 Sho: 78 Spe: 93 Dri: 88
Natanael Lemos
Pos: DA Age: 17 Tac: 62 Pas: 62 Sho: 62 Spe: 76 Dri: 73
Vicente Araújo
Pos: D Age: 26 Tac: 92 Pas: 75 Sho: 86 Spe: 91 Dri: 82
Javier Maradona
Pos: DM Age: 19 Tac: 69 Pas: 65 Sho: 60 Spe: 70 Dri: 78
Adriano Dantas
Pos: DM Age: 21 Tac:79 Pas: 69 Sho: 68 Spe: 85 Dri: 81
Mauro Mourão
Pos: M Age: 18 Tac:71 Pas: 78 Sho: 67 Spe: 78 Dri: 74
Hilário Faria
Pos: M Age: 24 Tac: 90 Pas: 81 Sho: 80 Spe: 85 Dri: 96
Cristian Lobo
Pos: M Age: 17 Tac: 60 Pas: 70 Sho: 67 Spe: 74 Dri: 71
Alan Mascarenhas
Pos: M Age: 30 Tac: 80 Pas: 100 Sho: 79 Spe: 95 Dri: 90
Ozias Diniz
Pos: M Age: 23 Tac: 68 Pas: 78 Sho: 61 Spe: 78 Dri: 75
Ernesto Ramires
Pos: M Age: 36 Tac: 84 Pas: 90 Sho: 78 Spe: 84 Dri:84
Fábio Batista
Pos: M Age: 17 Tac: 58 Pas: 74 Sho: 61 Spe: 74 Dri: 80
Alexandres Passos
Pos: M Age: 29 Tac: 74 Pas: 89 Sho: 83 Spe: 99 Dri: 92
Fernando Correia
Pos: A Age: 17 Tac: 70 Pas: 66 Sho: 74 Spe: 78 Dri: 74
Danton Beltrão
Pos: A Age: 28 Tac:86 Pas: 86 Sho: 100 Spe: 87 Dri: 81
Aboubacar Lhuillier
Pos: AD Age: 19 Tac: 69 Pas: 63 Sho: 73 Spe: 76 Dri: 78
Roberto Muniz
Pos: A Age: 28 Tac: 83 Pas: 79 Sho: 95 Spe: 88 Dri: 91
Custódio Sousa
Pos: AM Age: 17 Tac: 59 Pas: 65 Sho: 69 Spe: 75 Dri: 67
Diego Cardoso
Pos: AD Age: 27 Tac: 80 Pas: 79 Sho: 91 Spe: 92 Dri: 89

Ituano’s Main Team
Second Team

Getúlio Marques
Pos: G Age: 29 Kpg: 99 Pas: 73 Spe: 91 Dri: 93
Laerte Barcelos
Pos: G Age: 20 Kpg: 80 Pas: 69 Spe: 76 Dri: 78
Lucas Chamot
Pos: D Age: 36 Tac:91 Pas: 74 Sho: 57 Spe: 81 Dri: 88
Inocêncio Sousa
Pos: D Age: 19 Tac: 72 Pas: 63 Sho: 64 Spe: 74 Dri: 76
Nicodemos Sampaio
Pos: D Age: 21 Tac: 74 Pas: 65 Sho: 68 Spe: 78 Dri: 71
Eliel Fagundes
Pos: DM Age: 17 Tac: 67 Pas: 63 Sho: 65 Spe: 70 Dri: 79
Ibraim Gaspar
Pos: D Age: 30 Tac: 95 Pas: 77 Sho: 80 Spe: 85 Dri: 93
Horácio Batista
Pos: D Age: 17 Tac: 64 Pas: 65 Sho: 59 Spe: 76 Dri: 69
Percival Dinis
Pos: D Age: 17 Tac: 78 Pas: 58 Sho: 61 Spe: 70 Dri: 74
Cristian Álvares
Pos: M Age: 37 Tac: 74 Pas: 87 Sho: 81 Spe: 86 Dri: 84
Christian Valentim
Pos: M Age: 21 Tac: 74 Pas: 87 Sho: 67 Spe: 83 Dri: 80
Deivid Maia
Pos: M Age: 20 Tac: 73 Pas: 72 Sho: 63 Spe: 76 Dri: 73
Oswaldo Amaral
Pos: M Age: 27 Tac: 78 Pas: 91 Sho: 71 Spe: 96 Dri: 91
Oswaldo Amaral
Pos: M Age: 27 Tac: 78 Pas: 91 Sho: 71 Spe: 96 Dri: 91
Rodrigo Conde
Pos: MD Age: 29 Tac: 94 Pas: 93 Sho: 77 Spe: 94 Dri: 89
Glicério Oliveira
Pos: M Age: 17 Tac: 60 Pas: 69 Sho: 62 Spe: 65 Dri: 73
Egberto Meira
Pos: A Age: 27 Tac: 80 Pas: 82 Sho: 97 Spe: 100 Dri: 95
Oscar Nóbrega
Pos: A Age: 17 Tac: 60 Pas: 57 Sho: 70 Spe: 64 Dri: 72
Ben Wilkins
Pos: A Age: 21 Tac: 67 Pas: 71 Sho: 83 Spe: 77 Dri: 81
Mairon Albuquerque
Pos: AM Age: 18 Tac: 66 Pas: 65 Sho: 72 Spe: 71 Dri: 73
Alessio Campistri
Pos: A Age: 35 Tac: 66 Pas: 79 Sho: 88 Spe: 93 Dri: 96
Odair Vaz
Pos: A Age: 19 Tac: 71 Pas: 61 Sho: 75 Spe: 72 Dri:72

In Juventude, Otávio Assunção is in both teams, same happening for Oswaldo Amaral in Ituano.
The players’ stats were taken from season 59 turn 91 and the matches are against Corinthians and São Caetano:

Corinthians x Ituano
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1588220

Corinthians x Flamengo
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1587951
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1587950 *

Corinthians x Juventude
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1588132

São Caetano x Juventude
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1588019

São Caetano x Flamengo
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1588206

São Caetano x Ituano
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1588090

*variation: Jean Courtin plays instead of Aboubacar Lhuillier

Now, to the comments:

There is an obvious difference between the teams used against the two adversaries, even considering injuries and suspensions.
You can’t even call the second teams as substitutes, since there are so many youth players.

And even though Juventude’s stamina is depleted, that doesn’t mean it was like that in the begginning of the season, nor it excuses the difference between the two teams used.
That fact enforces that the manager is either a newbie, lazy or a fake. This last one would be my ‘guess’ as well for the other two managers.

My opinion is, any manager has the right to use, without strings to someone, whatever player they want at any time.

The reasons why someone uses a different team could be to save stamina, not having anymore ambitions in the league, develop players, specially against a weaker/too strong to beat/tired team, randomly feel like it, or because they just don’t like the team.

A real manager could also do it to intentionally favor/harm another team. That is unfair play, small thinking, unethical, but is it cheating?
If the person does it out his own free will, with no strings to somebody, I’m not sure. In RL it isn’t, but I think the big teams don’t do it to avoid lowering their own or the league’s image.
And besides, do we really want the game to turn into this? A league of pals that give away results?

That being said, it is completely unacceptable, as well unlikely, that 3 managers spontaneouly decide to take this action, at the same time, to favor a single team. It is as a probable coincidence as winning the lottery a few times.

Did you get the single team remark? Doubt it? Then I dare you to point out any other match in this season, until now, that another team gets this ‘special service’ from them. You don’t even have to show it like I did, just point out the match report and I’ll check the rest.

Go there, I’ll wait
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Hard isn’t it? I know because I checked.

It would be a much safer assumption that these 3 managers have some sort of connection.

Are they real people helping someone, or multiple accounts in service of one person?
I’d say it is the second one, although the first couldn’t be completely overruled.

And even though Corinthians is the only team to gain from this, could it not have anything with this?
Sure that would be possible if it wasn’t for these two things: first the situation that called my attention to this whole thing :

tick 63 http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1588220
tick 64 http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1625583

There was a Cup match just before the Ituano match. Since both matches were against strong opponents, a sacrifice would have to be made.
But notice how syncronizedly Corinthians uses subs (a real sub team and not one with a bunch of youths) in the Ituano match, so it wouldn’t interfere with stamina.
Also Corinthians used the subs in all the reffered matches.

My suggestion: Fire the managers, not allowing them to rejoin any of the implied teams. Also, if it has any effect, keep an eye on their IPs.

That is the minimal that should be done, if you think something else then I’d like to hear it.
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PS: Palmeiras also didn’t use the main team in the 2 matches against Corinthians. He did in other matches too, though.
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1587968
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1587969

While Márcio Yokomizo was managing CRB, he also did it. In the sequence of that match there was a Cup match.
He left CRB shortly after that.
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1587932

Notice how ridiculous both the teams that CRB and Palmeiras used compared to Corinthians’ subs by looking at the match stats. Yes, Corinthians also used subs in all three matches.

Facts really seem to speak for itself. I can also confirm that there is a “same network” with all these teams. Perhaps it’s time to get gabriel involved in this one…..

You have much more information here, with the matches you first presented we could not confirm anything, with this ones maybe…

Last game.
Corinthians 8 – 0 Santos
Santos used second team:
http://www.rubysoccer.com/game/match_report/1588067

Alright, just sent Corinthians manager a message saying this is currently under investigation and everybody will be punished should it continue. I also demanded to know which of these accounts are fake or used just for that purpose.

Thanks for all the hard work guys, I wouldn’t have the time to do such a detailed investigation myself :-)

I don’t know what you are talking about because I do not care to look into that deep waters BUT, consider this:

I have no chance at the title in English Premier League.
I am out of the national cup.
I am out of champions league.

Rest of the games I have a main team and a “development” team, which is a mix of first team and youths.
The whole idea is to develop players. Now it could just be so that I lose to a team and then win against another which could result in “favouring” a team when I play against them with a weaker team than I could.
Am I cheating? Am I giving away the game to some of the teams? MY main concern at this point is to give youths some first team experience.
This guy could be doing this on purpose, maybe, but how do you prove an intention?
SO what I do could be seen as I just described or I could set up my teams so that I favour certain teams, but the question is HOW do you know which is the thing I DO? One is legit, the other not, but HOW do you know what is my intention?
If you analyse same way my games then you’d be accusing me for not playing with best team against some teams, go take a look.
I thought the clubs BOARD was the one in the game and not here on the forums, if the team loses on “purpose” is hard to guess/determine but that is the BOARD’s concern, they could kick the manager for loosing too many games, no?

I understand your concerns guys but let’s not get crazy about that stuff, what’s wrong with asking the guy what he does and why?
Wouldn’t that be enough instead of warning him and telling him his under investigation? Well, you could end up with really fair to all (10) people game at the end yes, if that is the goal.

BK

It just so happens that the manager confessed being favored by the others. They all know each other but the ones who favored her are not really committed to the game. There is a discussion going on with the GMs to decide the best course of action.

Thanks again for the help heraser.

wow, then I suggest castration ;)

I also suggest Heraser as GameMaster.

Still Gabriel, maybe the BOARD of the club should have kicked him? The BOARD can be very easy-going sometimes.
Maybe time to introduce other mechanisms to the game, such as chairman and BOARD actually having a goal and pursuing it no matter how many managers they have to kick (like in reality) and then even head-hunting the best managers?!

BK

Managers fired, reputation reduced, moved to the bottom of the manager ranking. They were warned to not immediately join each others team or the same league, otherwise they’ll just be fired again. heraser can become a GameMaster if he feels he enjoys the job :-)