Already having a shitty season with three disgusting results out of 7 matches so far in the league.
Out of desperation and on the verge of quitting, I have decided to keep track of the absurd scores and the collection of the undeserved/denied points in the French League. And hopefully the engine tweaking comes sooner rather than later.

Criteria for absurd results:
1.If a team losses or ties when making 10+ shots on goal more than the opposing team, then I will call it a denied win.
2.If a team losses when making 5-10 shots more than the opposing team, then I will call it a denied tie
3.Only human managed teams will be taken into consideration, but their results with CPU teams will be taken into account.
4.When a team is awarded positive points, it means those are undeserved. When a team is awarded negative points, it means those are denied ones.

At the end of the season we’ll end up with a carnival classification to see how much deviation will there be

So far in the first 7 weeks:

Valencienes-Grenoble 2-3 (26-14) +3
Grenoble-Toulouse 1-1 (25-9) -2
Grenoble Total: 1 pts

Monaco-Auxerre 2-0 (10-21) -3
Auxerre Total: -3 pts

Nice-Monaco 1-0 (10-21) +3
Nice Total: 3 pts

Nancy-Valenciennes 1-1 (10-27) -2
Valenciennes-Grenoble 2-3 (26-14) -3
Valenciennes-Troyes 1-2 (27-8) -3
Valenciennes Total: -8

Monaco-Auxerre 2-0 (10-21) +3
Nice-Monaco 1-0 (10-21) -3
Monaco Total: 0 pts

Ajaccio-Rennes 2-1 (9-23) -3
Troyes-Rennes 2-1 (12-23) -3
Rennes Total: -6 pts

Troyes-Rennes 2-1 (12-23) +3
Valenciennes-Troyes 1-2 (27-8) +3
Troyes: 6 pts

Ajaccio-Rennes 2-1 (9-23) +3
Bordeaux-Ajaccio 1-1 (5-24) -2
Ajaccio Total: 1 pts

Strasbourg-Brest 1-1 (5-20) -2
Brest Total: -2

Bordeaux-Ajaccio 1-1 (5-24) +2
Bordeaux Total: 2 pts

Classification after week 7:

Troyes 6
Nice 3
Bordeaux 2
Grenoble 1
Ajaccio 1
Brest -2
Auxerre -3
Rennes -6
Valenciennes -8

Everyone else has 0

Fantastic post Dhimitri! I was even in fact planning on compiling the same kind of statistics…

Week 8 was calm

Week 9
Grenoble-Ajaccio 1-1 (21-11)
Grenoble -2
Ajaccio +1

Classification after week 8

Troyes 6
Nice 3
Bordeaux 2
Ajaccio 2
Grenoble -1
Brest -2
Auxerre -3
Rennes -6
Valenciennes -8

Week 11

Valencieness-Auxerre 1-2 (21-6)

Val -3
Aux +3

Classification after week 11

Troyes 6
Nice 3
Bordeaux 2
Ajaccio 2
Grenoble -1
Brest -2
Rennes -6
Valenciennes -11

Auxerre goes even

Interesting fact that my team was making long shots, when the setting was at medium. Anyway, I’ll stop trying to make sense and just go with the flow :D

Busy field day at the office Week 12:

Toulouse-Monaco 1-0 (14-26)
Mon -3

Lens-Lyon 1-2 (21-14)
Lens -1
Lyon +2

Ajaccio-Troyes 0-0 (19-8)
Ajaccio -2
Troyes +1

Nice-Valenciennes 3-1 (14-20)
Nice +2
Vale -1

Classification after week 12

Troyes 7
Nice 5
Bordeaux 2
Lyon 2

Lens -1
Grenoble -1
Brest -2
Monaco -3
Rennes -6
Valenciennes -12

Ajaccio evens out

Week 13

Monaco-Nancy 1-2 (30-14)
Monaco -3

Marseille-Ajaccio 1-1 (24-9)
Mars -2
Aja +1

Troyes-Strasbourg 2-0 (13-20)
Troyes +2

Classification after week 13

Troyes 9
Nice 5
Bordeaux 2
Lyon 2
Ajaccio 1

Lens -1
Grenoble -1
Brest -2
Marseille -2
Monaco -6
Rennes -6
Valenciennes -12

The game engine is complete BS… Mind you, I wouldn’t want to be Valenciennes but I’m heading down your way Dhim.

Auxerre-Toulouse 0-1 (23-13)
Aux -3

Grenoble-Troyes 1-1 (31-10)
Gre -2
Tro +1

Guingamp-Niort 2-2 (21-10)
Gui -2
Nio +1

Classification after week 14

Troyes 10
Nice 5
Bordeaux 2
Lyon 2
Ajaccio 1
Niort 1

Lens -1
Guingamp -2
Auxerre -3
Brest -2
Marseille -2
Grenoble -3
Monaco -6
Rennes -6
Valenciennes -12

Toulouse-Nice 2-1 (8-28)
Nice -3

Classification after week 15

Troyes 12
Nice 2
Bordeaux 2
Lyon 2
Ajaccio 1
Niort 1

Lens -1
Guingamp -2
Auxerre -3
Brest -2
Marseille -2
Grenoble -4
Monaco -6
Rennes -6

hmm Troyes manager must be doing something right.

Forget about Troyes, check out Toulouse

In the last 4 weeks they have won against Auxerre (1st), Nice (4th), and Monaco

3 wins, 4-1 goals, 35-77 shots

And they don’t have a manager :D

I may as well go on vacation mode and let the CPU take care of my team.

we are already in vacation. till the changes are made, we can have fun with our regressive league here

Week 16 Winners

Valencienes-Bordo 1-1 (28-9)
Bordo ties the game with one man down
Val -2
Bord 1

Brest-Lyon 1-1 (24-10)
Lyon ties the game with one man down
Brest -2
Lyon 1

Rennes-Sosho 0-1 (19-6)
Rennes -3

Classification after week 16

Troyes 12
Bordeaux 3
Lyon 3
Nice 2
Ajaccio 1
Niort 1

Lens -1
Guingamp -2
Auxerre -3
Brest -4
Marseille -2
Grenoble -4
Monaco -6
Rennes -9
Valenciennes -14

There is indeed something wrong. I shouldn’t have tied against Valenciennes and I played with a lot of my young players, not my best 11 so that’s makes it even stranger.

it´s seems like there is a very bad match eng. just for a few teams. This teams must be in a black list, you just have to read the posts to read how mush unfair shit is happen to then……..
tHIS MATCH ENG is for everybody, and you just have to ajust to it, like everybody else.
Its true it is not the best, but at least is allowing weaker teams to have a shot winning the top teams. this is like in real live… no the best always win….. see real madrid vs alcorcon!!!!!!! mills against pennys….. and pennys beat then 4-0……..
Managers have to approach different now days, i think differnt teams lay out are to be choosen for home and away games…. attackers now score like in real live….. no more than one goal average per game ( remember before up to 3 goals!!!! but by then i dont remember nowbody complaining than their attackers score to much….. but now it is all complains, and threat to go on vacations)????
Administrators are working in the new match eng, please STOP Crying! blow your nose and let it go….
We all play under the same rules……..
SALUD2

The reason of this thread is not to cry but simply to collect some evidence of what is wrong with the game engine. Hopefully that can be constructively used when the match engine gets fixed as it is being now.

FYI…in RL, when weak teams win versus strong teams, they usually deserve it, it’s not a matter of accident.
Alcocorn fully deserved the 4-0 score against a shitty display by RM
Both United and Liverpool got thrown off the FA cup while playing at home against 3d and 2nd division teams respectively. And the fact is both winners deserved to win. It is very rare for a week team to win if it plays like shite. However, it’s common for a strong team to win games even when playing bad. Actually that’s a MUST for teams to win their leagues, that’s how most top teams, apart from Barcelona, manage to be consistent.

FYI…The game here should reflect RL as much as possibly, however, try as you must, our virtuality here cannot and shouldn’t be as much complex as RL. The game is a matter of numbers, quality is numbers, performance is numbers, and hence quantity of number decides. Things like player emotions or referee mistakes or turf quality and weather conditions don’t apply in virtuality.

FYI…the cases listed here are not based on the quality of strikers or the whole team. The only factor considered is amount of shots made on goal as a measurement of performance on the pitch. This is a reality of numbers, hence it is expected that a team making 2-3 times more shots than opposition, then it should win the game no matter the quality of its players. In addition, if the team dominating is also far superior in player quality then it is expected not only to win but also to crash the opposition. You may argue as much as you like, but the numbers beat abstraction in our case.
If Toulouse wins 3 games versus 3 of the best teams in the league with an aggregate of 4-1 goals and 35-77 shots, then something is clearly very wrong. You do understand that, don’t you???

So far, in 16 games played in the league I have outshot opposition in the 15 of those games. The only one games was against Brest lost 0-3 and was completely thrashed. No complain there.
I lost 4-0 to Marseille, 19-16 shots in my favor, no complain there. Next game tied at home with Monaco 3-3, 19-12 shots in my favor. No complain there, despite the fact that I wonder how can my D leak 7 goals in 28 shots against (I do have only an average goalie at best, but great defensive players) and my offense scores only 3 in goals in 38 shots made when. Again these matches was not included.
As for the rest of games, wins, losses, or ties, Valencieness has been dominating over and over, yet I find myself in mid table with a team averaging 637 pts per player and 2.5 times the shots made on goal versus opposition.
The quality of my shooters cannot hurt me as they are great. The quality of shots (I don’t buy this either) cannot hurt, for I shoot from close or medium range. Possesion?? I got it!!!. Tackles made?? Every frigging game. Strikers??? I got them!!! Mids, I got them!!! Everything you want, other than a great goalie, I got it. So don’t philosophize with me!!!!

FYI…Regarding the strikers scoring less, and the rest of the team more…I was the first one to cherish the new change, when most of the rest were crying out loud why they strikers wasn’t scoring 10 goals per game. This has got nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Bottom line: If all the numbers are showing me that my team is performing in full gear and if my team is full of quality, then I am left with no explanation why there’s no end product. And if there’s no logical answer, then things are not as they should be and should change!!! ;)

Clearly DaMaGo is emotion-driven. The entire point of this post in an analytical approach to the entire situation.

Myself, posting to go on vacation is what we call humor. Evidently, your interpretation of my sentence highlights our cultural differences…

Dimitri, we both agree match eng needs changes. I lost games or tie like the one you point out. But this is happening to everybody…… while we wait we have to work with what we have.

To Patrick c., i want you to know than i was born in Paris, i have family in France and i grow with a mixt of cultures, plus i lived 13 years out of Europe.
So the highlights our cultural differences are true, you are a chovinist!!!!! big time. But careless….. i think is you the one who need to find what world we living and dont give MIERDA to others ethnical groups….. the world is too small dude!!!
and to every else sorry this is my last personal post…
SALUD2

The post is not about winning a victimization award, as you assumed in the previous post. That’s why so far, in the so called classification above, all 15 human managed teams are listed (Hence, the impact on all of us, not a personal level). The goal is simple, measure the full deviation of the results from what we consider “normal”.
Second, this post is an effort to help on things, not put the game down as you again assumed.
Since all of us, including Patrick, you, and me, are here debating about the game shows our commitment to the game (whether we are consumers or creators).
Rest assured that we all want this game to develop and progress. Point at the problems is the best way to start improving it.

DaMaGo, I thought you may have been French.

Where to begin…

First & foremost:

chauvinism –
1 : excessive or blind patriotism
2 : undue partiality or attachment to a group or place to which one belongs or has belonged
3 : an attitude of superiority toward members of the opposite sex; also : behavior expressive of such an attitude
as per Miriam Webster

Wrong way to describe my attitude towards the following sentences you’ve posted:
“This teams must be in a black list, you just have to read the posts to read how mush unfair shit is happen to then……..”

“…but by then i dont remember nowbody complaining than their attackers score to much….. but now it is all complains, and threat to go on vacations)????”

D’ailleurs, pour ta référence, je suis d’origine française…

Et finalement:
“you the one who need to find what world we living and dont give MIERDA to others ethnical groups…”
-Comment dire une imbécillité pareille sans même me connaitre? Pour ta référence, j’ai vécu à plusieurs endroits dans le monde. Au fait, hablo español también.

Il me semble que contrairement à toi, je ne me crois pas supérieur aux autres suite à mes expériences personnelles. Pourquoi avoir même pris cette approche dans le débat en tant que tel?

Aucune surprise avec la façon dont tu as réagi…

Please guys, let’s keep the topic discussion around the topic’s subject. As Dhimitri said “we all want this game to develop and progress. Point at the problems is the best way to start improving it”.

Cheers!

Moi je parle Francais, Anglais, Espagnol , Portuguais, la situation n est pas la…. le jeu a changé est beaucoup des resultats sont tres injustes quand on domine avec plus de 20 tirs que l adversaire… incompréhensible d avoir des attaquants avec 100 de tirs et en par exemple 30 match avoir 1 ou 2 buts… je comprends que avoir 60 ou 70 c etait trops… mais quand meme….

Week 18

Sosho-Bordo 0-0 (19-9)
Bordo +1

Week 19
Nancy-Rennes 1-0 (4-19)
Rennes -3

Toulouse-Valencieness 4-3 (9-34)
Vale -3

Mid Season Classification

Troyes 12
Bordeaux 4
Lyon 3
Nice 2
Ajaccio 1
Niort 1

Lens -1
Guingamp -2
Auxerre -3
Brest -4
Marseille -2
Grenoble -4
Monaco -6
Rennes -12
Valenciennes -17

Current French League Standings Week 19
(only human teams)

CL 1 16-human Auxerre******45
CL 2 16-human Grenoble*****42
CL 3 16-human Brest********39
CL 4 16-human Nice********39
EL 5 16-human Marseille*****38
EL 6 16-human Rennes******32
EL 7 16-human Valenciennes**30
8 16-human Troyes******30
9 16-human Monaco******29
10 16-human Lyon********24
11 16-human AC Ajaccio***23
12 16-human Bordeaux****23
16 16-human Guingamp****18
19 16-human Lens********12
20 16-human Niort********12

Current Classification Without Deviations

1. Auxerre********48 +3
2. Valenciennes****47 +17
3. Grenoble*******45 +3
4. Rennes********44 +12
5. Brest**********43 +4
6. Marseille*******40 +2
7. Nice**********37 -2
8. Monaco*******35 +6
9. Ajaccio********22 -1
10. Lyon*********21 -3
11. Guingamp*****20 +2
12. Bordo********19 -4
13. Troyes*******20 -10
14. Lens*********13 +1
15. Niort********11 -1

A few things that stick out:

Valenciennes has 5 losses and 2 ties with a score of 10-16 and total shots of 183-70
Average shots per game: 26
Average sh/g allowed: 10
Ratio average shots per game: +2.6
Goals per game: 1.43
Goals allowed per game:2.29
Ratio average goals per game: -1.6
Average shots per goal scored: 18.3
Average shots per goal allowed: 4.375
Ratio of average shots per goal: -4

Facts: Weak Goalie. Strong Outfielders all over the pitch

Rennes
4 losses, 2-6 in goals, 84-31 in shots
Ratio avg shots per game: +2.7
Ratio avg. goals per game: -3
Ratio avg. shots per goal: -8

Toulouse CPU
4 wins, 8-4 goals, 44-111
Efficiency: 4

Troyes
2 wins, 2 draws, 7-3 score, 51-120 shots
Efficiency: 5.5

Fact: Above average goalie, Defense, Midfield. Less than Average Strikers

Bottom line: It takes Valenciennes 4 times the effort to score a goal to its opposition. It takes Rennes 8 times to do the same thing. Toulouse on the other hand, has been 4 times most efficient in its 4 wins

What do you guys make of this. Any opinion is welcome!!!